Fabrication & builders section. All fabrication posts go here.
XJ/MJ/ZJ/WJ Only projects go here. Questions belong in modified tech.

Welding thread!!!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 16, 2017 | 12:58 AM
  #2101  
LACK's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,535
Likes: 10
From: CA
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by roninofako
...or you could do this at half that cost...

http://premierpowerwelder.com/shop/w...-power-welder/

Also lots of DIY options out there...
Those are also a cool option. Although for how often id actually find myself welding on the trail, I may as well daisy chain some batteries.

Just thought that rechargeable, battery operated set-up was pretty sweet.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2017 | 01:14 AM
  #2102  
Rogue4x4's Avatar
::CF Administrator::
Premium Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 14,479
Likes: 805
From: Blunt, South Dakota
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.6 stroker
Default

Originally Posted by LACK
Those are also a cool option. Although for how often id actually find myself welding on the trail, I may as well daisy chain some batteries.

Just thought that rechargeable, battery operated set-up was pretty sweet.
It is sweet...but highly overpriced, LOL
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2017 | 05:45 AM
  #2103  
PCO6's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 544
Likes: 252
From: Newmarket, Ontario
Year: 1989
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0 L
Default

Originally Posted by Basslicks
That's pretty amazing stuff! Lots of patience goes into that, I'm sure.
Thanks. I takes patience but once you know the principles the welding goes pretty quickly. Fitting the parts is what takes the most time. I should have mentioned that that repair piece started out as 1 sheet of 18g sheet metal about 16"x24". I sheared it into 2 pieces rolled one piece to the general shape and then formed the half crown on both pieces. As mentioned the weld was at the mid point of the crown which was the easiest and strongest place to do it. Looking at the pic again I realized that I did use a few spots of filler rod. I had to wire the edge for strength. That was the last step and I used a 1/8" dia. steel rod for that. I had to tack the end to hold it in place.

As with a lot of body work, make things bigger than you need them to be ... you can always trim the edges later.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2017 | 05:55 AM
  #2104  
PCO6's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 544
Likes: 252
From: Newmarket, Ontario
Year: 1989
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0 L
Default

Originally Posted by roninofako
Definitely do this...you may find a better welder for the same price...

Just yesterday, I scored this:

Attachment 299083

Attachment 299084

Attachment 299085

We have a guy who comes by every once in a while that repairs welders...he's serviced almost every machine in our shop at work. Knows his stuff, he's old school...guy can find any part for any machine. Long story short, he asked if anyone needed anything...so I asked him if he had a good tombstone...he said yeah I'll send you some pics...he's doing a complete refurb on it, cleaning it up as much as possible, and gonna warranty it for 2 years. $200. DONE, haha
I learned how to weld on with a Lincoln tombstone back when I was in high school in the mid to late '60s. My Dad had one and I built my first off road cars with it. GREAT welders!

As good as they are ... they're a pain to move around. I built a stand for mine that makes it a lot easier to roll around and to store the cables. I also cut my cables and used connectors just to save a bit of space. I think I posted it here somewhere but here it is again for info on the stand ...





Reply
Old Feb 16, 2017 | 09:12 AM
  #2105  
Rogue4x4's Avatar
::CF Administrator::
Premium Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 14,479
Likes: 805
From: Blunt, South Dakota
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.6 stroker
Default

Originally Posted by PCO6
I learned how to weld on with a Lincoln tombstone back when I was in high school in the mid to late '60s. My Dad had one and I built my first off road cars with it. GREAT welders!

As good as they are ... they're a pain to move around. I built a stand for mine that makes it a lot easier to roll around and to store the cables. I also cut my cables and used connectors just to save a bit of space. I think I posted it here somewhere but here it is again for info on the stand ...





I'll definitely be doing something like this, LOL...thank you for posting!
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2017 | 09:21 AM
  #2106  
Jeepin'_Aint_EZ's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,208
Likes: 5
From: Ocean County, NJ
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Default

Originally Posted by PCO6
What you need is a small neutral flame and a steady hand. Once you get the knack it it's surprising how fast you can move.

I restored British sports cars for about 25 years and used hammer welding to piece together a lot of exterior sheet metal, fenders mostly. If you can take the fender off and get at both sides it is a big help.

With hammer welding you use no filler rod. You basically fuse the panels together. This is especially important if you have to run the panels through an English wheel. If you have ANY filler rod it will destroy the anvils. You simply DON'T do it.

Here are a few pics of a hammer weld. The seam is along the crown and no filler rod was used, just my torch with a #1 tip and a small neutral flame. I body filed the top side but you can see the seam on the bottom side.
Wow. Awesome stuff. That's seriously an amazing skill to have learned that very very few people know how to do.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2017 | 10:24 AM
  #2107  
PCO6's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 544
Likes: 252
From: Newmarket, Ontario
Year: 1989
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0 L
Default

Originally Posted by Jeepin'_Aint_EZ
Wow. Awesome stuff. That's seriously an amazing skill to have learned that very very few people know how to do.
Thanks. I've always admired the work that real panel beaters (not me!) do and that they can do so much with pretty basic tools. After making the weld it's basically hammers, dollies, body files, etc.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2017 | 10:48 AM
  #2108  
Basslicks's Avatar
No, I don't lick fish.
Premium Member
15 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 11,169
Likes: 26
From: Northern Kentucky
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by roninofako
I'll definitely be doing something like this, LOL...thank you for posting!
x2 on that. Simple and very effective design. Very clean too!

Originally Posted by PCO6
Thanks. I've always admired the work that real panel beaters (not me!) do and that they can do so much with pretty basic tools. After making the weld it's basically hammers, dollies, body files, etc.
Definitely fast-becoming a lost art. It's awesome to see metal take shape like that.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2017 | 02:34 PM
  #2109  
XJwonders's Avatar
CF Veteran
Premium Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 19,219
Likes: 45
From: west chester, pa
Year: 1999
Engine: 4.0
Default

Welding thread!!!!-image-4247848238.jpg
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2017 | 10:58 PM
  #2110  
shooptube's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 793
Likes: 5
From: Southgate, Michigan
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.6 I6
Default

Originally Posted by XJwonders
HOW BOUT DAH!?
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2017 | 11:21 PM
  #2111  
XJwonders's Avatar
CF Veteran
Premium Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 19,219
Likes: 45
From: west chester, pa
Year: 1999
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by shooptube
HOW BOUT DAH!?
exactly
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2017 | 11:39 PM
  #2112  
cleenrob's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,104
Likes: 2
From: San Antonio, TX
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Default

.
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2017 | 11:38 PM
  #2113  
shooptube's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 793
Likes: 5
From: Southgate, Michigan
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.6 I6
Default

Started welding up my rear bumper. I got to try tig welding for the first time today. My buddy said I did alright. Here are some shots I took.

Welding thread!!!!-wyemmir.jpg

Welding thread!!!!-bt5ylpy.jpg

Welding thread!!!!-hyb0rlw.jpg

Welding thread!!!!-wd3qecu.jpg

Shot of some welds I felt proud of.

View this post on Instagram
Reply
Old Feb 19, 2017 | 01:21 AM
  #2114  
StuckBuck's Avatar
Seasoned Member
Premium Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 473
Likes: 8
From: Oregon
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0 I6
Default

Originally Posted by shooptube
Started welding up my rear bumper. I got to try tig welding for the first time today. My buddy said I did alright. Shot of some welds I felt proud of.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQrMaiAl...ttin_work_dunn

First time? That's pretty frickin decent for first time!
Reply
Old Feb 19, 2017 | 09:03 AM
  #2115  
shooptube's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 793
Likes: 5
From: Southgate, Michigan
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.6 I6
Default

Originally Posted by StuckBuck

First time? That's pretty frickin decent for first time!
Thanks man.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:58 PM.