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Here's a Head scratcher
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I was able to get my jeep on the Scan tool. Not some cheap auto zone scanner, but a Solis. I would have preferred to use the Modis, but my former boss said that the Solis had more functionality. I didn't see a difference between the two other than the Solis is smaller. But that is neither here nor there.
I have been battling a low idle in drive and have been struggling to figure it out. This is mostly before it gets warmed up and for a while after.
So, in putting the scan tool to the car I became officially confused.
I found a small vacuum leak, repaired that.
The CKP and CMP lost sync one time. After testing for almost an hour.
But the bigger issue is, the good ol heep says in CLOSED LOOP after starting.
And the IAT says that the outside temp is 165 degrees
Now, this thing doesn't have an egr valve, but what I want to verify is the upstream 02 sensor that controls it all.
It should go back and forth from lean to rich correct?
If someone could give me their interpretation of these numbers I would appreciate it, other wise it is at the engine bay.
I mean, the thing I'm wondering if the timing is a bit retarded and I should advance it or what is going on.
I was able to get my jeep on the Scan tool. Not some cheap auto zone scanner, but a Solis. I would have preferred to use the Modis, but my former boss said that the Solis had more functionality. I didn't see a difference between the two other than the Solis is smaller. But that is neither here nor there.
I have been battling a low idle in drive and have been struggling to figure it out. This is mostly before it gets warmed up and for a while after.
So, in putting the scan tool to the car I became officially confused.
I found a small vacuum leak, repaired that.
The CKP and CMP lost sync one time. After testing for almost an hour.
But the bigger issue is, the good ol heep says in CLOSED LOOP after starting.
And the IAT says that the outside temp is 165 degrees
Now, this thing doesn't have an egr valve, but what I want to verify is the upstream 02 sensor that controls it all.
It should go back and forth from lean to rich correct?
If someone could give me their interpretation of these numbers I would appreciate it, other wise it is at the engine bay.
I mean, the thing I'm wondering if the timing is a bit retarded and I should advance it or what is going on.
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IAT does not measure outside air, it measures air temp in the manifold.
Timing is not adjustable.
Just so we're clear...
From the FSM.
Are you sure it's in closed loop mode? How do you know?
Timing is not adjustable.
Just so we're clear...
From the FSM.
MODES OF OPERATION
As input signals to the powertrain control module
(PCM) change, the PCM adjusts its response to the
output devices. For example, the PCM must calculate
different injector pulse width and ignition timing for
idle than it does for wide open throttle (WOT).
The PCM will operate in two different modes:
Open Loop and Closed Loop.
During Open Loop modes, the powertrain control
module (PCM) receives input signals and responds
only according to preset PCM programming. Input
from the oxygen (O2S) sensors is not monitored during
Open Loop modes.
During Closed Loop modes, the PCM will monitor
the oxygen (O2S) sensors input. This input indicates
to the PCM whether or not the calculated injector
pulse width results in the ideal air-fuel ratio. This
ratio is 14.7 parts air-to-1 part fuel. By monitoring
the exhaust oxygen content through the O2S sensor,
the PCM can fine tune the injector pulse width. This
is done to achieve optimum fuel economy combined
with low emission engine performance.
The fuel injection system has the following modes
of operation:
† Ignition switch ON
† Engine start-up (crank)
† Engine warm-up
† Idle
† Cruise
† Acceleration
† Deceleration
† Wide open throttle (WOT)
† Ignition switch OFF
The ignition switch On, engine start-up (crank),
engine warm-up, acceleration, deceleration and wide
open throttle modes are Open Loop modes. The idle
and cruise modes, (with the engine at operating temperature)
are Closed Loop modes.
As input signals to the powertrain control module
(PCM) change, the PCM adjusts its response to the
output devices. For example, the PCM must calculate
different injector pulse width and ignition timing for
idle than it does for wide open throttle (WOT).
The PCM will operate in two different modes:
Open Loop and Closed Loop.
During Open Loop modes, the powertrain control
module (PCM) receives input signals and responds
only according to preset PCM programming. Input
from the oxygen (O2S) sensors is not monitored during
Open Loop modes.
During Closed Loop modes, the PCM will monitor
the oxygen (O2S) sensors input. This input indicates
to the PCM whether or not the calculated injector
pulse width results in the ideal air-fuel ratio. This
ratio is 14.7 parts air-to-1 part fuel. By monitoring
the exhaust oxygen content through the O2S sensor,
the PCM can fine tune the injector pulse width. This
is done to achieve optimum fuel economy combined
with low emission engine performance.
The fuel injection system has the following modes
of operation:
† Ignition switch ON
† Engine start-up (crank)
† Engine warm-up
† Idle
† Cruise
† Acceleration
† Deceleration
† Wide open throttle (WOT)
† Ignition switch OFF
The ignition switch On, engine start-up (crank),
engine warm-up, acceleration, deceleration and wide
open throttle modes are Open Loop modes. The idle
and cruise modes, (with the engine at operating temperature)
are Closed Loop modes.
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OBDII vehicles go into closed loop pretty quickly, it helps with emissions. The O2 should cycle between rich and lean, the down stream O2 should stay pretty steady.
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From startup it stays in closed loop. I plugged in the scan tool when the vehicle was off. Got the scan tool going and started the vehicle. Never went into open loop until I actually drove the thing to check that the transmission was actually shifting.
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Well, the solis is telling me it is in closed loop. No matter what I do outside from going wot no sensors adjust or change to the given positions
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The vehicles I hook up to go into closed loop in no time at all. OBDII systems are resigned to go into closed loop quickly in order to keep emissions lower faster. OBDII does not rely on the CTS as much as OBDI, the info from the O2, TPS, and MAP/MAF sensors are the major players for the ECM to make decisions and adjustments.
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