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Old 01-08-2017, 07:48 AM   #1
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Exclamation 1999 Grand Cherokee swaping transfer case

Looking for some input:
I have a 1999 Jeep grand Cherokee, 4.0 with Quadradrive. My plans are (engine already out) to put in an NP242 or NP242Hd if possible. Sorry I like the inline six and Im rebuilding it now. (FYI it had over 260K on it and when torn apart there is little or no wear at all. just on cam. Was leaking bad though)


I've read a lot of posts and have the general idea but wanted to make sure what year transfer case will bolt up to transmission. Id prefer to use the NP242HD transfer case. Im very mechanically inclined but looking for some advise. Also what type of differentials do I have and would the swap to sele trak pose any issue on the differentials/
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Welcome to CF!

The np242HD came with the V8, the 4.0 came with the np242J. The difference is the output coupling. The 242J has a long splined shaft with a rubber boot that covers the driveshaft coupling. The np242HD has a tailshaft housing with the driveshaft coupling slipped into it. I think the input splines are the same as the 247, but don't quote me on that. In 99, they moved the speed sensor to the transmission internally, so you can use any 242 as long as the splines match and the driveshaft fits. The trick is trying to use a 99 or newer t/case on an older jeep.

Quadradrive comes with an optional Varilock in the D44. You've probably got Quadratrac II with a D35 rear.

I too wouldn't have anything else but a 4.0 unless it was a stroker, but then you're reducing it's longevity. What causes piston shirt failures in the 4.0 is they come too far out the bottom of the cylinder sleeve to be really supported well. Add stroke to that and you're asking for trouble. Stroker pistons are shorter with relocated pins so the rocking motion is worse.

My 2000 has the 4.0 with np242J and never had any trouble with it, except a cracked 0331 head. It's got 206K miles on it now. The 42re is still in good shape as well. I'm getting a tiny bit of hum from the D35 at 70 mph.

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Dave is correct on the differentials my 04 WJ 4.7 V-8 has the same trans and transfer case a D30 in the front with the lsd and a D44A in the rear with the lsd and 3.73 gears. I'm sure mine was a special order as it had a lot of options on it Overland edition, Towing, Up Country, etc.
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The thing is Fred, Quadradrive wasn't available in 99. Go to wjjeeps.com and check it out. Q-drive does have LSDs in both diffs. Q-trac and Q-trac II don't, but Varilock was an option only in the D44 in 99. It gets confusing because changes were made to all these systems as time progressed.

For instance, Q-trac I was available only in 2004 with the NP147 which was constant 4wd with no neutral or low range. This was for lazy people who didn't want to worry about a t/case at all! The problem is these could only be flat-bedded to tow it.
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My mistake on that on that I had forgot that it was only on the 04's that it came that way. It's a great feature to have on one most of all on a DD.


That is the main reason my wife would rather drive the WJ over our other 3 4wd's she has to do nothing. Last winter she had to drive from here in SWMO to central IL during a heavy snow storm (6-8" with ice) that was passing through for her brothers funeral alone I was not able to go with her. I do think the WJ was the only reason she made it couldn't talk her out of not going.
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No offense to your wife calling her lazy! It's just that most of us on this forum love to shift 2 sticks! I've also been told that running your jeep in 2wd a lot tends to wear out the rear diff quicker. Don't know, don't care. It seems to me the weak link in the drivetrain is the t/case chain. All I know or care about is my 242 WJ has 206K miles on it without any trouble with the drivetrain. 98% if the time has been 2wd.

Some guys have posted that their wives wouldn't drive their jeeps because of worrying about that second stick. That's why the Quadradrive with the np147 was created.

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Dave was just looking at my build sheet again and it shows a 545RFE 5 spd trans and the DHFP "Quadra-Trac II" on demand 4wd system.


Am I reading this wrong?


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No, the 545RFE has another 2nd gear with a different ratio for passing and heavy loads. You have no control over it, the trans module decides when it is used.

The "On Demand" part is with the LSDs shifting power to the wheel that needs it. Again, not under your control.

It's a good system, but if it malfunctions it's hard to diagnose and repair because it's all electronic.
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