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Measurable gain absolutely between a 33 and 35 in height...all factors the same. no argument there but the 33 at 10 psi and the 35 at street pressure difference ? right? But then it would also depend on tire tread design, compound, terrain your on which you are on, I mean there are a lot of measurable differences that can be factored between a 33 and 35 other than the diameter, width and weight. I mean what about a 33x12.50 verse a 35x10.50? Which has the greater contact patch? Gearing of the vehicle....It's a debate that can go for days...it would be difficult to put your money on either...it's all situational...
The question to the OP was about having to stack rocks to climb a 5 foot water fall with 33's, changed to 35's and climbed it with ease without having to stack rocks.. I was just asking the other variables than the height of the tire that could have been involved.
Traction and clearance plays a big part... more contact patch (traction) between a set of locked 29" tires verse 33' or 35" open diff, would you say the two 29's have more traction than the open diff vehicle?
If you notice I leave most of these debates in an open ended question, it's funny how easily people get internet angry when you just ask simple questions... good thing I didn't ask what type oil people run...
I can show you a picture of a hummer I had 20 years ago that i stuck at potato ridge aka rocket gap in red rock... Was not a good day, slide off the trail in the ice / snow down to the creek bed...then high centered... There was a lot of pictures of that go anywhere vehicle stuck...
Measurable gain absolutely between a 33 and 35 in height...all factors the same. no argument there but the 33 at 10 psi and the 35 at street pressure difference ? right? But then it would also depend on tire tread design, compound, terrain your on which you are on, I mean there are a lot of measurable differences that can be factored between a 33 and 35 other than the diameter, width and weight. I mean what about a 33x12.50 verse a 35x10.50? Which has the greater contact patch? Gearing of the vehicle....It's a debate that can go for days...it would be difficult to put your money on either...it's all situational...
The question to the OP was about having to stack rocks to climb a 5 foot water fall with 33's, changed to 35's and climbed it with ease without having to stack rocks.. I was just asking the other variables than the height of the tire that could have been involved.
Traction and clearance plays a big part... more contact patch (traction) between a set of locked 29" tires verse 33' or 35" open diff, would you say the two 29's have more traction than the open diff vehicle?
If you notice I leave most of these debates in an open ended question, it's funny how easily people get internet angry when you just ask simple questions... good thing I didn't ask what type oil people run...
I can show you a picture of a hummer I had 20 years ago that i stuck at potato ridge aka rocket gap in red rock... Was not a good day, slide off the trail in the ice / snow down to the creek bed...then high centered... There was a lot of pictures of that go anywhere vehicle stuck...
The question of a vehicle with or without lockers is not relevant. He used his jeep with 33" tires at an obstacle and used rocks to aid he ascent of that specific obstacle. He then used the same jeep with 35" tires and did not use rocks to aid his ascent of the same obstacle.
There are many variable to consider in that specific equation but you broke it down to one element when you said "obviously it wasn't the tire diameter". This is a blanket statement that in its most basic form is flawed.
He did not state whether he added a locker when he re-geared it but if that's all you wanted to know then why are you rambling on about how much your jeep does this and his jeep does that?
I'm not riled, you are questioning the validity of someone else experience over a single stated fact that you can't back up.(tire size for those following along)
Originally Posted by Jrozar
Anyone local run the metalcloak upper and lower control arms? They had free shipping today so I figured I'd finally get them...
Their video is pretty good showing the difference in degree allowed comparing them to the other brands.
Hopefully my wife will like the ride it is stated by several that it improves over stock. After all the xj is hers...
I have heard plenty of good things about Metal Cloak arms online and in person but recently I had talked with a local vendor who had experienced multiple issues with either the upper or lower arms. It kinda came up when we were talking about some other stuff so I don't remember the specifics off-hand but I can get in touch with him again.
I'm also looking to find someone who has run the BWE comp shackles. They seem to be pretty trick with the metalcloak duraflex bushing installed in the upper.
I've personally seen his rig wheel, with 33's and 35's. We've always gone together in our rigs. Trust me that 5 foot waterfall he's talking about is true. Not trying to be a D**k here but you sound like a " know it all " that gets his facts from Wikipedia. Don't believe everything you read from the Internet. Were all here to have a good time and exchange info and show what we've done to our rigs. Now grab a beer and popcorn and let's all just effing get along. 👍🏻
Hey it's all about wheeling, never gave him attitude or talked smack about his rig even though he did about mine. All I did was offer to take a set of tires out to see how many rocks I would have to stack for him to use 33's compared to 35's to climb the same 5 foot waterfall. Simple enough right....and I would change the tires and stack the rocks even provide take the beer and popcorn.
Your not sounding like a d**k at all and we are here to exchange info and show what we have done with our rigs.... So the offer to lend a set of tires to him so he could show me the difference in this climb, to learn new skills and capabilities. Maybe I need to go up to a larger tire. You know that WOW look at the difference that tire makes...that makes all our days when we see superior performance in a product.
Hell I get all my info off the internet, Wikipedia, drive a Prius and my wife is an Italian model. But like you said don't believe everything you read on the Internet...so maybe that is what started the simple question.
But I would like to wheel with you guys on day...I don't see where anyone is not getting along.
My metalcloak duraflex upper and lower control arms will be in this week, I'm looking forward to getting some test results from them, so will need some trail time. I could have got a full cheap long arm kit for what they cost....I hope Wikipedia was right about the advantages of them.
What do you think about the standard clevite verse the duraflex joint? With the sway bar disconnect, OME springs, bilstein shocks, do you think that this will be a good addition to the front for better articulation or trail capabilities?
Originally Posted by 98xjcherokeesport
I've personally seen his rig wheel, with 33's and 35's. We've always gone together in our rigs. Trust me that 5 foot waterfall he's talking about is true. Not trying to be a D**k here but you sound like a " know it all " that gets his facts from Wikipedia. Don't believe everything you read from the Internet. Were all here to have a good time and exchange info and show what we've done to our rigs. Now grab a beer and popcorn and let's all just effing get along. ����
Hey it's all about wheeling, never gave him attitude or talked smack about his rig even though he did about mine. All I did was offer to take a set of tires out to see how many rocks I would have to stack for him to use 33's compared to 35's to climb the same 5 foot waterfall. Simple enough right....and I would change the tires and stack the rocks even provide take the beer and popcorn.
Your not sounding like a d**k at all and we are here to exchange info and show what we have done with our rigs.... So the offer to lend a set of tires to him so he could show me the difference in this climb, to learn new skills and capabilities. Maybe I need to go up to a larger tire. You know that WOW look at the difference that tire makes...that makes all our days when we see superior performance in a product.
Hell I get all my info off the internet, Wikipedia, drive a Prius and my wife is an Italian model. But like you said don't believe everything you read on the Internet...so maybe that is what started the simple question.
But I would like to wheel with you guys on day...I don't see where anyone is not getting along.
My metalcloak duraflex upper and lower control arms will be in this week, I'm looking forward to getting some test results from them, so will need some trail time. I could have got a full cheap long arm kit for what they cost....I hope Wikipedia was right about the advantages of them.
What do you think about the standard clevite verse the duraflex joint? With the sway bar disconnect, OME springs, bilstein shocks, do you think that this will be a good addition to the front for better articulation or trail capabilities?
You obviously know everything so why ask our opinion? You look and sound so dumb trying to back up what you've said. All this from me telling somebody that my 35's made a big difference over 33's? How annoying.
I'm also looking to find someone who has run the BWE comp shackles. They seem to be pretty trick with the metalcloak duraflex bushing installed in the upper.
Boostwerks 231 Transfer case shifter with TC drop: $25
Stock XJ front and rear driveshaft: $20
I MIGHT be selling my IRO long arms. The design of them might not work with my front driveshaft. I have some things to play with, but I might be selling them in the near future. I'd be selling for the amount I paid, $250.
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Boostwerks 231 Transfer case shifter with TC drop: $25
Stock XJ front and rear driveshaft: $20
I MIGHT be selling my IRO long arms. The design of them might not work with my front driveshaft. I have some things to play with, but I might be selling them in the near future. I'd be selling for the amount I paid, $250.
I'll take the long arms (call dibs). And text me as I don't have your number anymore.
Boostwerks 231 Transfer case shifter with TC drop: $25
Stock XJ front and rear driveshaft: $20
I MIGHT be selling my IRO long arms. The design of them might not work with my front driveshaft. I have some things to play with, but I might be selling them in the near future. I'd be selling for the amount I paid, $250.
Gonna be making a Real attempt at trying to finish up my wife's jeep these next couple days. If anyone is bored and wants to come help I'd really appreciate it. Food and whatever kind of beer you want will be on me!
Hit me up 7024451640
good thing I didn't ask what type oil people run...
