Xj with tow package?
09-16-2012, 09:53 PM
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Xj with tow package?
I currently daily drive a 88 grand Wagoneer runs and drives great and is very clean and I have a guy wanting to trade me a 00 xj with little over 100k and little to no rust. It has a tow package but I dont know if it has enough to tow my trail rig (91 4 door xj) my Wagoneer dose so I'm
Debating on the trade. So what I'm asking is will if have enough ***** to tow fullsize car trailer and a rig?
Debating on the trade. So what I'm asking is will if have enough ***** to tow fullsize car trailer and a rig?
09-16-2012, 09:55 PM
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Compare the drivetrain and that should answer your question I think you could get a better tow rig then an xj but whatever works
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its not the dana 44 tow package but just a beefyr crysler 8.25 that isnt much above a a regulare rear end.... the dana 44 cherokee lenghth tow package was only between 88 and 89, however i have 1 that was sold as a 90 but has 89 on the vin sticker and has this rear end, i believe all or most cherokee tow packages of those 2 years that had standard transmission also had the beefyr aisin-warner AX-15 in them and is the better of the xj cherokee standard tranys
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its not the dana 44 tow package but just a beefyr crysler 8.25 that isnt much above a a regulare rear end.... the dana 44 cherokee lenghth tow package was only between 88 and 89, however i have 1 that was sold as a 90 but has 89 on the vin sticker and has this rear end, i believe all or most cherokee tow packages of those 2 years that had standard transmission also had the beefyr aisin-warner AX-15 in them and is the better of the xj cherokee standard tranys
09-17-2012, 12:11 AM
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09-17-2012, 01:01 AM
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I use mine for towing my boat, that weighs approx 2500lbs gross and you know it's there. Mine is plated to tow 7000lbs+ but no way would I do that.
The XJ is too small and too light to tow big loads. You need something big, plenty of those in the US from when I was last there.
The XJ is too small and too light to tow big loads. You need something big, plenty of those in the US from when I was last there.
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I'm also in the UK, and therefore our Cherokee 4.0's are legally rated for 3250kg/7165lb.
I've towed this much (and more) BUT only for short distances down slower roads (not on the highway). It does it ok, but you wouldn't want to tow more than 2000kg/4400lb on longer trips. If the terrain is hilly, then maybe 1500kg/3300lb would be a more sensible limit.
The 4.0 Cherokee is too light and lacks torque for the real heavy loads in my opinion.
In the UK we're more used to using torquey turbo deisel engines and manual transmissions for towing. Therefore a 2.5litre turbo diesel is found in almost all pickups and towing vehicles here and they tow fine. They have lots of low down grunt and the manual transmission allows easy selection of the right gear. In contrast, the 4.0 is petrol and auto. A petrol engine needs to rev higher to get its max power, whilst the auto box slips away (actually its the torque converter stall rating that makes the difference) and allows the engine to rev away. It will tow fine and likely keep up with any smaller deisel towing rig BUT compared to a low reving deisel with a manual, it gives the impression you're killing it and it's straining. Sadly, it is just the nature of the beast. It just doesn't have the same low down torque that will pull up and down hills without noticing any difference. We're also not used to hearing the engine work or rev like this.
With that said, the 2.5 Turbo Deisel engine fitted in the Cherokees is RUBBISH and only rated for 2000kg/4400lb max anyway. You want a strong Toyota, Land Rover or even modern Ford Transit turbo deisel engine really. There's a project for someone.
I had a 2004 Land Rover Discovery TD5 Diesel Automatic. Despite the deisels torque, the auto box permitted it to rev higher than you would normally select with a manual box. It too gave the impression that it was straining, when actually it would have done it fine with far less revs in a manual.
I've towed this much (and more) BUT only for short distances down slower roads (not on the highway). It does it ok, but you wouldn't want to tow more than 2000kg/4400lb on longer trips. If the terrain is hilly, then maybe 1500kg/3300lb would be a more sensible limit.
The 4.0 Cherokee is too light and lacks torque for the real heavy loads in my opinion.
In the UK we're more used to using torquey turbo deisel engines and manual transmissions for towing. Therefore a 2.5litre turbo diesel is found in almost all pickups and towing vehicles here and they tow fine. They have lots of low down grunt and the manual transmission allows easy selection of the right gear. In contrast, the 4.0 is petrol and auto. A petrol engine needs to rev higher to get its max power, whilst the auto box slips away (actually its the torque converter stall rating that makes the difference) and allows the engine to rev away. It will tow fine and likely keep up with any smaller deisel towing rig BUT compared to a low reving deisel with a manual, it gives the impression you're killing it and it's straining. Sadly, it is just the nature of the beast. It just doesn't have the same low down torque that will pull up and down hills without noticing any difference. We're also not used to hearing the engine work or rev like this.
With that said, the 2.5 Turbo Deisel engine fitted in the Cherokees is RUBBISH and only rated for 2000kg/4400lb max anyway. You want a strong Toyota, Land Rover or even modern Ford Transit turbo deisel engine really. There's a project for someone.
I had a 2004 Land Rover Discovery TD5 Diesel Automatic. Despite the deisels torque, the auto box permitted it to rev higher than you would normally select with a manual box. It too gave the impression that it was straining, when actually it would have done it fine with far less revs in a manual.
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I'm also in the UK, and therefore our Cherokee 4.0's are legally rated for 3250kg/7165lb.
I've towed this much (and more) BUT only for short distances down slower roads (not on the highway). It does it ok, but you wouldn't want to tow more than 2000kg/4400lb on longer trips. If the terrain is hilly, then maybe 1500kg/3300lb would be a more sensible limit.
The 4.0 Cherokee is too light and lacks torque for the real heavy loads in my opinion.
In the UK we're more used to using torquey turbo deisel engines and manual transmissions for towing. Therefore a 2.5litre turbo diesel is found in almost all pickups and towing vehicles here and they tow fine. They have lots of low down grunt and the manual transmission allows easy selection of the right gear. In contrast, the 4.0 is petrol and auto. A petrol engine needs to rev higher to get its max power, whilst the auto box slips away (actually its the torque converter stall rating that makes the difference) and allows the engine to rev away. It will tow fine and likely keep up with any smaller deisel towing rig BUT compared to a low reving deisel with a manual, it gives the impression you're killing it and it's straining. Sadly, it is just the nature of the beast. It just doesn't have the same low down torque that will pull up and down hills without noticing any difference. We're also not used to hearing the engine work or rev like this.
With that said, the 2.5 Turbo Deisel engine fitted in the Cherokees is RUBBISH and only rated for 2000kg/4400lb max anyway. You want a strong Toyota, Land Rover or even modern Ford Transit turbo deisel engine really. There's a project for someone.
I had a 2004 Land Rover Discovery TD5 Diesel Automatic. Despite the deisels torque, the auto box permitted it to rev higher than you would normally select with a manual box. It too gave the impression that it was straining, when actually it would have done it fine with far less revs in a manual.
I've towed this much (and more) BUT only for short distances down slower roads (not on the highway). It does it ok, but you wouldn't want to tow more than 2000kg/4400lb on longer trips. If the terrain is hilly, then maybe 1500kg/3300lb would be a more sensible limit.
The 4.0 Cherokee is too light and lacks torque for the real heavy loads in my opinion.
In the UK we're more used to using torquey turbo deisel engines and manual transmissions for towing. Therefore a 2.5litre turbo diesel is found in almost all pickups and towing vehicles here and they tow fine. They have lots of low down grunt and the manual transmission allows easy selection of the right gear. In contrast, the 4.0 is petrol and auto. A petrol engine needs to rev higher to get its max power, whilst the auto box slips away (actually its the torque converter stall rating that makes the difference) and allows the engine to rev away. It will tow fine and likely keep up with any smaller deisel towing rig BUT compared to a low reving deisel with a manual, it gives the impression you're killing it and it's straining. Sadly, it is just the nature of the beast. It just doesn't have the same low down torque that will pull up and down hills without noticing any difference. We're also not used to hearing the engine work or rev like this.
With that said, the 2.5 Turbo Deisel engine fitted in the Cherokees is RUBBISH and only rated for 2000kg/4400lb max anyway. You want a strong Toyota, Land Rover or even modern Ford Transit turbo deisel engine really. There's a project for someone.
I had a 2004 Land Rover Discovery TD5 Diesel Automatic. Despite the deisels torque, the auto box permitted it to rev higher than you would normally select with a manual box. It too gave the impression that it was straining, when actually it would have done it fine with far less revs in a manual.
2.5tdi engines with manual boxes are perfect for towing big loads, I did it for 5 years with a LR High Cap Pickup and it did it easily (2 tonnes on trailer and 1.25 tonnes on the back) total train weight was 5.5t (12,100lbs). I covereed 185K miles in that one with zero problems.
That was the early 200tdi and only about 112hp I think.
My 4.0l cherokee revs up too much and there is no torque for towing.
09-17-2012, 08:11 AM
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Surr an XJ *CAN* tow another XJ, but its not a good idea. And I agree that your Grand Waggy is worth more anyway. If you plan on keeping it around, drop a Cummins 4BT in there. Then you'll have quite the beast! Every now and then I see these pop up for sale around $13k.
You overseas diesel heads don't like the sound of gas apparently! (can't blame you) My 4.0 XJ with AX-15 towed 3000 pounds fine on a hilly highway at 100km/h, you just need to remember what the torque curve looks like. 3rd gear had it right in the sweet spot. It was screaming at 3000 RPM but I wasn't flooring it or anything.
Where did you get your info from? Indeed it's not a Dana 44 with 3.73 gears. However a 29-spline C8.25 is comparable in strength to a D44. All tow package XJs have the AW4 with aux transmission cooler. Models equipped with the AX-15 are rated for a lesser load here in North America. Yes the AX-15 is stronger than the AX-5 but it's not part of the tow package. Also 2000+ model years have the NV3550
You overseas diesel heads don't like the sound of gas apparently! (can't blame you) My 4.0 XJ with AX-15 towed 3000 pounds fine on a hilly highway at 100km/h, you just need to remember what the torque curve looks like. 3rd gear had it right in the sweet spot. It was screaming at 3000 RPM but I wasn't flooring it or anything.
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its not the dana 44 tow package but just a beefyr crysler 8.25 that isnt much above a a regulare rear end.... the dana 44 cherokee lenghth tow package was only between 88 and 89, however i have 1 that was sold as a 90 but has 89 on the vin sticker and has this rear end, i believe all or most cherokee tow packages of those 2 years that had standard transmission also had the beefyr aisin-warner AX-15 in them and is the better of the xj cherokee standard tranys