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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeMark


If you look at the drain plug, it will have "DII" stamped on the head.

Hmmmm.


Since "if" is a conditional statement, an "if" statement always implies the opposite is true.


So, if you don't look at the drain plug, it will not have "DII" stamped on the head.



How does it know?



Are we talking about C?

Because in C....

If (drainPlug == D2)
{
Then it was D2 written on it
}
else
{
It does not have D2 written on it
}

horrible example of C... but appropriate here... curly brackets not needed.. but added for clarity.. :-)
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:17 PM
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EVERY SINGLE auto store around here tells me to use ATF 4 wtf?? . can we please please please make the transmission fluid thing a sticky its so confusing.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by spiral_energy
EVERY SINGLE auto store around here tells me to use ATF 4 wtf?? . can we please please please make the transmission fluid thing a sticky its so confusing.
I checked at oreilly's... their computer says dec/merc... are they even looking? or just assuming?
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:20 PM
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Many things could be a sticky...
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JackJare9455
I checked at oreilly's... their computer says dec/merc... are they even looking? or just assuming?
I just finished putting ATF 4 in my AW4 because the at advanced auto just spent an hour convincing me you were all wrong. he said you can use dex but you need some additive.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:42 PM
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Take it out and put in what should be in there.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JackJare9455
I checked at oreilly's... their computer says dec/merc... are they even looking? or just assuming?

Originally Posted by spiral_energy
I just finished putting ATF 4 in my AW4 because the at advanced auto just spent an hour convincing me you were all wrong. he said you can use dex but you need some additive.
The problem is two fold:

First many auto-parts clerks ASSume that since it is a Chrysler product it must take ATF+4 not realizing that the XJ does not have a Chrysler transmission.

Secondly Chrysler (well Daimler) released a TSB after all XJs were out of warranty that ATF+4 could be used in the AW4 (from what I've heard it will usually work in a new or like-new AW4 but since ATF+4 is much thinner it drops the line pressure significantly which can cause slipping with even slightly worn clutches) in order to save money by not having to stock a different type of fluid, despite that the manufacture (Aisin) of the AW4 has never recommended anything other than DexronIIE/DexronIII/Mercon.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:53 PM
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Dex 3
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 10:56 PM
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I used Mobil 1 synthetic ATF. I had read on the forum that this works but I just put in a new clutch, flywheel and master cylinder and found when starting out 1st and 2nd gear no problem but when moving 1st is almost impossible to get into and 2nd is notchy. 3rd, 4t and 5th are smooth. Could the trans fluid be causing this or something else?

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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by charliek
I used Mobil 1 synthetic ATF. I had read on the forum that this works but I just put in a new clutch, flywheel and master cylinder and found when starting out 1st and 2nd gear no problem but when moving 1st is almost impossible to get into and 2nd is notchy. 3rd, 4t and 5th are smooth. Could the trans fluid be causing this or something else?
Why are you using ATF in a manual transmission??

Get some Redline MT-90 (in a pinch 10W30 will work in an AX15/AX5, but MT-90 is the better option). There could be other issues like worn syncros but you definitely should start by getting the appropriate fluid in there.

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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dmill89
The problem is two fold:

First many auto-parts clerks ASSume that since it is a Chrysler product it must take ATF+4 not realizing that the XJ does not have a Chrysler transmission.

Secondly Chrysler (well Daimler) released a TSB after all XJs were out of warranty that ATF+4 could be used in the AW4 (from what I've heard it will usually work in a new or like-new AW4 but since ATF+4 is much thinner it drops the line pressure significantly which can cause slipping with even slightly worn clutches) in order to save money by not having to stock a different type of fluid, despite that the manufacture (Aisin) of the AW4 has never recommended anything other than DexronIIE/DexronIII/Mercon.
this
needs
to
be
a
sticky
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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by spiral_energy
I just finished putting ATF 4 in my AW4 because the at advanced auto just spent an hour convincing me you were all wrong. he said you can use dex but you need some additive.
Go whack him with the dipstick.
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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 12:30 AM
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Sorry my mistake, that is what I put in the transfer case. I used Mobil one synthetic gear oil 75w-90. I had the same oil in the trans before the new clutch and it was fine so maybe not the cause. But could it be? I thought maybe I hadn't bled the clutch sufficiently but redid it today and still the same.
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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by spiral_energy
I just finished putting ATF 4 in my AW4 because the at advanced auto just spent an hour convincing me you were all wrong. he said you can use dex but you need some additive.
Im a parts jockey.. I cant speak for all of them... but that guy is an *******..

You NEVER EVER EVER give advice when you are not absolutely 100 percent sure that what you are saying is correct to the fullest!

He assumed... he was wrong... Contact their help line/customer service.. demand a full refund for your purchase on HIS advice.. then demand a case (12 quarts) of dex/merc so you can flush his mistake out of your transmission.
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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 07:29 AM
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Here's some data for students of AW4 ATF.

Gleaned this data from the ATSG AW4 Service Manual and FSM's for the years shown (except 89-92, which I don't have).

Note that Mercon was the ATF of choice at the beginning (and in 93 for some reason).

ATSG AW4 Service Information Manual, c. 1987/88

Recommended fluid for the AW4 transmission is Jeep or Mopar Mercon automatic transmission fluid. Mopar Dexron II may also be used if Mercon is not available.

1988 Jeep Cherokee FSM

Both transmissions and transfer cases use DEXRON-II ATF.

1989 – 1992 (unknown FSM recommendations)

1993 Jeep Cherokee FSM

Aisin Warner AW-4 transmissions and transfer cases use Mercon type ATF.

1994 - 1999 Jeep Cherokee FSM

Recommended and preferred fluid for the AW–4 transmission is Mopar Dexron IIE / Mercon.
Mopar Dexron II may/can be used but only in emergency situations where Mercon fluid is not available.

2000 Jeep Cherokee FSM

Mopart Dexron IIE / Mercon is the recommended fluid for the AW-4 automatic transmissions. Mopar Dexron II can be used but only if Mercon is not available.

2001 Jeep Cherokee FSM

Mopart Dexron III / Mercon is the recommended fluid for the AW-4 automatic transmissions.
Dexron II fluid IS NOT recommended. Clutch chatter can result from the use of improper fluid.
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