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Old Apr 21, 2013 | 12:40 PM
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Well that puts that to bed. Isn't RC12ECC the OE spec for 1998, though? Why would NGK and Champion build differently?
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Old Apr 21, 2013 | 12:45 PM
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Well that puts that to bed. Isn't RC12ECC the OE spec for 1998, though? Why would NGK and Champion build differently?
The RC12ECC is specified all the way up to 2001. By the looks of it, the RC12ECC and the NGK ZFR5N look the same. The NGK FR5-1 specified as their plug for the '98 (0630 head).

I just emailed NGK again with my photo and asked them what the purpose of the unthreaded extension on the FR5-1 is for.
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Old Apr 21, 2013 | 01:04 PM
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Indeed! I wonder if it affects the heat range slightly. Might be worthwhile to run in cyls 3 & 4 with a 0331
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CCKen
The RC12ECC is specified all the way up to 2001. By the looks of it, the RC12ECC and the NGK ZFR5N look the same. The NGK FR5-1 specified as their plug for the '98 (0630 head).

I just emailed NGK again with my photo and asked them what the purpose of the unthreaded extension on the FR5-1 is for.
Below is the reply to my email asking about the extension on the FR5-1 plug. As far as I'm concerned, school's still out on this. I think I'll stick with my ZFR5N plugs.

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This is referred to as an extended shell reach, Chrysler is one of the only OEM companies to use this as it is meant to protect the firing electrode from spark blow out.


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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CCKen

Below is the reply to my email asking about the extension on the FR5-1 plug. As far as I'm concerned, school's still out on this. I think I'll stick with my ZFR5N plugs.

Hello,

This is referred to as an extended shell reach, Chrysler is one of the only OEM companies to use this as it is meant to protect the firing electrode from spark blow out.


Best Regards,

Jason Norwood
NGK Spark Plugs ( USA) Inc.
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I still don't understand why Champion didn't do that if they were the factory plug. Very bizarre
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Old May 19, 2017 | 02:06 AM
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Sorry to necro post, but I tried searching and came up empty

Do I want the FR5-1 or the ZFR5N for my 98 XJ 4.0? Rock auto is pulling up the FR5-1 and other parts stores are pulling up the ZFR5N

Is the only difference the amount of threads protecting the ceramic? Rock Auto is saying that the gap on the FR5-1 is .04 vs. .036 for the ZFR5N but I always check gap anyways

The price is identical or I would have gone with the cheaper option already, lol
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Old May 19, 2017 | 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by investinwaffles
Sorry to necro post, but I tried searching and came up empty

Do I want the FR5-1 or the ZFR5N for my 98 XJ 4.0? Rock auto is pulling up the FR5-1 and other parts stores are pulling up the ZFR5N

Is the only difference the amount of threads protecting the ceramic? Rock Auto is saying that the gap on the FR5-1 is .04 vs. .036 for the ZFR5N but I always check gap anyways

The price is identical or I would have gone with the cheaper option already, lol
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Old May 19, 2017 | 02:31 AM
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Damn, lightning fast response at 1 AM. Thanks as always Cruiser

The ZFR5N is cheap enough for me to get locally ($2.50 vs $4.29) so that's a bonus

Switching from the Champions because the NGK's seem to be better quality overall (japan vs china made)

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Old May 19, 2017 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by investinwaffles
Damn, lightning fast response at 1 AM. Thanks as always Cruiser

The ZFR5N is cheap enough for me to get locally ($2.50 vs $4.29) so that's a bonus

Switching from the Champions because the NGK's seem to be better quality overall (japan vs china made)
chumpions are made in China now?
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Old May 19, 2017 | 03:37 PM
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I honestly have no idea, that was according to the internets and a few forum postings I found while half asleep.

NGK does seem to be higher quality though, made in Japan according to the box
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Old May 19, 2017 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
chumpions are made in China now?
Just bought some Champion 412's. Made in India is what the box says
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Old May 19, 2017 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Superslow
Just bought some Champion 412's. Made in India is what the box says
That's a frightening concept.
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Old May 21, 2017 | 08:10 AM
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Champion Coppers from advance auto. Make sure to use a discount code, just google it then use store pickup. Cheaper than amazon or ebay usually.
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