Rotella: The world's first ever combined hair oil, foot ointment, and salad dressing
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So, which one of the Rotella's would be good for this VW TDI engine? ALH converted to manual injection pump (12mm), larger injectors and a Cold Stage 2 camshaft.
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lol... yeah, I knew that part. I think I was mis-reading his post. I thought he was trying to say that our motors were originally designed by (or were a borrowed design from) "jag-you-ahh". I didn't realize he was pointing out that the design was from the 1960s... not england.
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Third one down ("And if you are still not convinced…") convinced me they're full of crap. They show pictures of a failed break in from someone not using break-in oil with a new camshaft and try to imply that you will get the same result from using modern oil in regular use after break in. Basically they show an improper use of the oil and blame the oil for it instead of the idiot who used it incorrectly.
You guys are so fully immersed in the BS you can't even smell it any more.
You guys are so fully immersed in the BS you can't even smell it any more.
I just thought the article was interesting... particularly in regards to degredation of viscosity in modern day oils.
Here's what I can't figure out... when did you hop on the hate wagon? Because towards the beginning of this post, you were "almost sold" on Rotella then all of a sudden... what?
You keep going around touting about how "there's no scientific evidence for this, no scientific evidence for that". Okay, where's your scientific evidence AGAINST Zinc? ZDP? ZDDP? Moly? Boron? Etc.?
Not to mention the fact, while some maybe be concentrating on ZDDP, that's not the ONLY reason to switch to an oil like Rotella, DELVAC, etc.
By the way... you STILL didn't provide an answer to the counter-point I proposed in the thread where the new guy was asking for oil suggestions. If you're just here to play devil's advocate, that's cool man, just let us know. But you're coming in here being the antithesis to a lot of positive data without anything to back it up. Just sayin'.
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Dude... chill. I posted the article just for the sake of discussion. I'm not running up to the jugs of Rotella at Walmart and dry humping them. I'm running Pennzoil in my XJ and Mobil1 Synthetic in my Chrysler.
I just thought the article was interesting... particularly in regards to degredation of viscosity in modern day oils.
Here's what I can't figure out... when did you hop on the hate wagon? Because towards the beginning of this post, you were "almost sold" on Rotella then all of a sudden... what?
You keep going around touting about how "there's no scientific evidence for this, no scientific evidence for that". Okay, where's your scientific evidence AGAINST Zinc? ZDP? ZDDP? Moly? Boron? Etc.?
Not to mention the fact, while some maybe be concentrating on ZDDP, that's not the ONLY reason to switch to an oil like Rotella, DELVAC, etc.
By the way... you STILL didn't provide an answer to the counter-point I proposed in the thread where the new guy was asking for oil suggestions. If you're just here to play devil's advocate, that's cool man, just let us know. But you're coming in here being the antithesis to a lot of positive data without anything to back it up. Just sayin'.
I just thought the article was interesting... particularly in regards to degredation of viscosity in modern day oils.
Here's what I can't figure out... when did you hop on the hate wagon? Because towards the beginning of this post, you were "almost sold" on Rotella then all of a sudden... what?
You keep going around touting about how "there's no scientific evidence for this, no scientific evidence for that". Okay, where's your scientific evidence AGAINST Zinc? ZDP? ZDDP? Moly? Boron? Etc.?
Not to mention the fact, while some maybe be concentrating on ZDDP, that's not the ONLY reason to switch to an oil like Rotella, DELVAC, etc.
By the way... you STILL didn't provide an answer to the counter-point I proposed in the thread where the new guy was asking for oil suggestions. If you're just here to play devil's advocate, that's cool man, just let us know. But you're coming in here being the antithesis to a lot of positive data without anything to back it up. Just sayin'.
lol.Sorry man.. when I read the walmart bit... people in there are usually so weird... it wouldn't surprise me me to come up on that isle and actually seeing someone doing that. lmao. I'm sure stranger things happen in that joint on a daily basis.
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yep... sometimes I think I need to go scrub my eyes with bleach after walking in that place. lol.
But seriously.. you did bring up a good, valid point. There's no problem bringing both sides of an equation, but crying wolf doesn't count. Gotta bring something to back a different perspective with... otherwise it's a "hollow" argument.
But seriously.. you did bring up a good, valid point. There's no problem bringing both sides of an equation, but crying wolf doesn't count. Gotta bring something to back a different perspective with... otherwise it's a "hollow" argument.
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As for that damage photo of the camshaft for a 429/460 Ford. My Dad worked all his life as a school bus mechanic, and the stories he told about the era when most of them came with 429s in them, they had terrible problems with getting enough oil to the camshaft. They were always replacing them because lobes would be completely worn off. The 370s, based on the same design didn't have the problem, just the 429s for some reason. That damage could have happened no matter what oil they used in the engine if it was one with that problem.
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As for that damage photo of the camshaft for a 429/460 Ford. My Dad worked all his life as a school bus mechanic, and the stories he told about the era when most of them came with 429s in them, they had terrible problems with getting enough oil to the camshaft. They were always replacing them because lobes would be completely worn off. The 370s, based on the same design didn't have the problem, just the 429s for some reason. That damage could have happened no matter what oil they used in the engine if it was one with that problem.
As for that damage photo of the camshaft for a 429/460 Ford. My Dad worked all his life as a school bus mechanic, and the stories he told about the era when most of them came with 429s in them, they had terrible problems with getting enough oil to the camshaft. They were always replacing them because lobes would be completely worn off. The 370s, based on the same design didn't have the problem, just the 429s for some reason. That damage could have happened no matter what oil they used in the engine if it was one with that problem.
The 429 got a bad rep because of this one flaw. And it's too bad because when proper one piece cam bearings are installed they are probably one of the best engines Ford made because they are a big block but what they call a "square motor" if I remember right. Too bad, I have actually built some and they are bullet proof and hard to beat with the right cam bearings.
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