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Old May 14, 2015 | 04:33 PM
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I'm trying to help my buddy work on his 89 MJ, and we can't get it to start. It has spark, it has fuel. It turns over great, puffs a little smoke out the exhaust occasionally, but never fires up. The plugs are soaked in gas, like it's flooded.
We have a new distributor, new CPS, new MAP sensor, new coolant temp sensors, new TPS, new intake air temp sensor, new fuel tank and sending unit, good fuel and filter. Pretty much the only thing not new is the ECM.
Any ideas of what could be the problem?
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Old May 14, 2015 | 08:49 PM
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Old May 14, 2015 | 09:37 PM
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I'll try to clean it or replace it, already checked it for cracks and it looks fine. But I'll mess with it in the morning and let y'all know what happens. Thanks cruiser
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Old May 15, 2015 | 11:35 AM
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The vacuum line to the MAP sensor is fine. No cracks, no blockage, but we cleaned it anyway. Didn't make any difference, the Jeep still won't start. Any other suggestions?
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Old May 15, 2015 | 01:44 PM
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Could it be that the distributor is crazy off and just needs to be indexed?

Differently sounds like a MAP problem and is just thinking that the throttle is wide open and dumping gas.... You could look at the intake manifold vacuum and compare it to the voltages the MAP is sending.

Those are my only thoughts though but what do I know haha.
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Did you check for spark? Pull a spark plug, leave the wire attached, touch the ground to the plug and see if you see a spark while cranking. Must have fuel, compression, spark and air to run. You're sure the CPS is plugged in?
Did it run at all before you replaced all those parts? Sounds like something basic is wrong here. Coil could be bad but do the basic tests and stop replacing parts until you're sure you've found it.
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The distributor is indexed right, I've double and triple checked it.
It has spark on all 6 plugs. All 6 are soaked in gas. It has fresh gas, and everything is plugged in.
Last time it was running was about a year ago, it ran great then. Just got parked for the 4x4 conversion, which took a while due to budget, now it won't start.
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What about the grounds at the engine dipstick tube? Common to TPS, IAT, CTS, and MAP...........
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Originally Posted by kirknd4spd
The distributor is indexed right, I've double and triple checked it.
It has spark on all 6 plugs. All 6 are soaked in gas. It has fresh gas, and everything is plugged in.
Last time it was running was about a year ago, it ran great then. Just got parked for the 4x4 conversion, which took a while due to budget, now it won't start.
What information are you reffering to when checking dist placement ?
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Originally Posted by freegdr
What information are you reffering to when checking dist placement ?
Cruisers writeup, same way I've been putting in Renix distributors for the past few years.
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
What about the grounds at the engine dipstick tube? Common to TPS, IAT, CTS, and MAP...........
That did it, she's running great. Thanks cruiser!
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Good news-Those dipstick grounds are important. Did you have the wires off that ground previously or did it just start acting up?
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Just started acting up, we didn't take them off until this morning.
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Well, it was running great. Now we lost power to the fuel pump. Guess its time to start testing wires.
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Originally Posted by kirknd4spd
Well, it was running great. Now we lost power to the fuel pump. Guess its time to start testing wires.
It's called progress!! Done Tip 3?

How about this little booger causing issues? Bypass it if you want.
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