Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.

Overheating problem

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 26, 2018 | 04:41 PM
  #1  
jhd8593's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: I6
Default Overheating problem

Hey all!
Currently driving a 97' XJ that has around 280k. Having a hard time trying to diagnose the overheating problem.
I know for a fact the water pump is no more than 4 years old and the radiator was replaced at the beginning of the year.
Sunday: It was driving just normal, a bit of a rough idle but nothing out of the normal. Didn't really pay attention to the temperature gauge, but I am sure it was running average temp. Drove it all day.
Monday: The idling got worse and randomly stopped when driving around. Parked it and didn't drive it much more after.
Wednesday: Tried to get to work today but this is where it all went down hill. drove about 20 mins and noticed temp gauge climbing up and the car started to shake. I pulled over and popped open the hood. White smoke was coming from below the water and steering pump?! No leaking? Waited about 30-45 min and it was bone dry so I topped it off with water.
When coming back home i first topped it off with water before leaving and drove about 3 min and it was a instant!! rise from the temp gauge. Running well above 210. Usually it takes more than 3 min. After about 10 min it would jump from about 210-230 back and forth until the idling and overheating got so bad i had to stop.

Any ideas? I hope it all makes sense.

Thanks in advance
-Jon
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2018 | 05:27 PM
  #2  
PatHenry's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,700
Likes: 238
From: Groton, MA
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee(XJ)
Engine: I6 4.0L
Default

Do you happen to know what material the water pump impeller is made of? (Basically, is it known to be, or possibly may be, a PLASTIC impeller?)

I had some terrible overheating due to a plastic impeller water pump on my previous Jeep (2000 TJ) snapping off internally. There was no leak and no bearing noise, but obviously without moving coolant, the engine overheated in minutes of driving. The pump was no more than 4 years (and probably closer to 2 years) old when this occurred.

The smoke was probably leakage from the weep hole due to extreme over pressurization and then it burning up on the hot engine.
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2018 | 05:58 PM
  #3  
tjwalker's Avatar
CF Veteran
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,839
Likes: 116
From: In the middle of Minnesota!
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

I'd start by reviewing all cooling system parts.

*First off, is the thermostat. Probably the most important component in regulating temp. I'd replace it with a Mopar 195 degree stat. Inexpensive thing to try.

*Was the radiator cap replaced when you replaced the radiator? If not, replace that too. Often ignored but important. Your radiator is likely not related to this.

*Water pumps can fail, being 4 years old doesn't guarantee function. Consider replacing it if you get stuck here.

I'd go one step at a time and not wander far from home until this is resolved. Unresolved overheating can lead to a blown head gasket or worse. Good luck and keep us updated!

Last edited by tjwalker; Dec 26, 2018 at 06:00 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 08:53 AM
  #4  
jhd8593's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: I6
Default

Unfortunately I do not know what the impeller is made out of but i am going to check on it today.

Thank you!
Reply
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 08:54 AM
  #5  
jhd8593's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: I6
Default

Will do! Thanks a lot!! I will keep everyone updated.
Was honestly thinking it was a blown head gasket :/ hoping nothing wrong there.

Thank you!!
Reply
Old Dec 27, 2018 | 09:24 AM
  #6  
tjwalker's Avatar
CF Veteran
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,839
Likes: 116
From: In the middle of Minnesota!
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by jhd8593
Was honestly thinking it was a blown head gasket
Not impossible but I'd rule out any basic cooling system failure first.

If you get stuck after ruling out cooling system, then perform a simple compression test on all cylinders. This is a good test for a blown head gasket. The compression spec for the 4.0 engine is 120-150 psi, with no more than a 30 psi variation between cylinders.

Good luck and keep us updated!
Reply
Old Dec 30, 2018 | 04:07 PM
  #7  
jhd8593's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: I6
Default

Originally Posted by tjwalker
Not impossible but I'd rule out any basic cooling system failure first.

If you get stuck after ruling out cooling system, then perform a simple compression test on all cylinders. This is a good test for a blown head gasket. The compression spec for the 4.0 engine is 120-150 psi, with no more than a 30 psi variation between cylinders.

Good luck and keep us updated!
Quick update!

Well it is not looking good. Replaced water pump, thermostat, radiator cap, and bottom radiator hose. Now for some damn reason i can not keep the bottom radiator hose on the water pump?! It seems like there is major pressure that pops it off? In addition, white smoke blowing out of the tail pipe with some type of liquid spraying out of the exhaust with a really rough idle?! Its looking bad gents....sounding like a head gasket.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2019 | 04:41 PM
  #8  
jhd8593's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: I6
Default

Hey Guys! Sorry its been a while.

Took the head gasket out for more experience and for fun. It looks to me that the head gasket is ok? No cracks or holes. The layers of the gasket are separated but I don't think that is considered blown? Im going to replace the gasket, replace some bolts, rockers, and rods. However, I still stuck on why the bottom radiator hose to the water pump keeps coming off? It seems like there is major pressure that pops it off? In addition, white smoke blowing out of the tail pipe with some type of liquid spraying out with a really rough idle?!
Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2019 | 12:45 PM
  #9  
jhd8593's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: I6
Default

Any ideas? Before I put on the cylinder head back on.
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2019 | 01:21 PM
  #10  
GreaseMonkey17's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 645
Likes: 34
Model: Cherokee
Default

You need to take the cylinder head to a machine shop or cylinder head shop and have it checked for cracks and warpage first .
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
KielUSAF
Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here
15
Sep 1, 2019 09:27 PM
Cyriac
Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here
17
Jul 6, 2012 06:03 PM
xjdanja2
Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here
0
Nov 8, 2011 07:27 PM
TrekkerJmm
Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here
31
Jun 29, 2009 01:43 PM
firefighter786
Stock Grand Cherokee Tech. All ZJ/WJ/WK Non-modified/stock questions go here!
7
Jun 9, 2009 07:32 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:38 AM.