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Old Sep 18, 2020 | 07:21 PM
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Ah! Thanks Earl. I assumed (I know) that 4.0 = 4.0. I'm still just getting started with Jeep info.
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Old Sep 18, 2020 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Spencer_P;3620249. I drew a picture to try and convey what I’m saying. So the block where the adapter mounts is already at an angle pointing down and then the filter is pointed pretty heavily downwaro get a d. So if you all are saying yours points straight back than there’s my issue. Great, a hard task just got harder :icon_eek:



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the filter should be parallel with the block in 2 dimensions...ie not pointing up or down, in or out

It appears from your pic that your filter adaptor has been rotated slightly anti clockwise..ie, no roll pin
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Old Sep 19, 2020 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by awg


block to adaptor is 90mm (3-5/8")

adaptor effective length, including torx fastener head 50mm (2")

space between block and filter is over 25mm (1")

That is a Ford Z9 filter, much longer than an XJ, mine all point directly back
WHOA!!!!! I never thought of writing the date and mileage on my filter!!!! I'm that guy who looks at the odometer and says "Yeah, I think its about time for an oil change IIRC......"
I remember how many miles the XJ had when I got it last August, so its not that hard to keep track of right now. And I've changed it once already and only put 2500 miles on it since I got the thing... I think..... I should keep better track of that.
I also have a sample I took from the oil that came out when I bought it.... I just need to stop being lazy and send it off the Blackstone... Then I'll send a sample of the T5 that's in there now when it comes time for a change...
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Old Sep 19, 2020 | 10:11 AM
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I drive my jeep hard in that it runs every other day for at the very least over 3, sometimes 4 hours in stop&go service. That works out to 20K/year which includes normal chores and trips. I change my oil at 5K intervals and doing that, it's easy to keep track of. Plus my WJs overhead console reminds me. My new engine was installed at 252K, so I changed the oil at 253K, and 255K. Now it's on the 5K regimen. I changed it last week at 260K and it now has 500 miles on it from there. What also helps is I keep a newspaper route mileage log every day I do it. Last year I got $.53/mile that I can deduct from my income for taxes.

What I'm saying is it's not that hard to keep track of your oil changes if you care. It's the oil change industry that has everyone doing it at 3000. 5000 isn't doing any harm to your engine as long as you're driving it long enough to not form sludge. Rotella could very well run 10K, but I'm not there yet. I only run Rotella in my XJ because of the oil pressure thing. It's hard to write on a Wix filter anyway.

An amusing point. I bought my 67 SS Camaro new, and the factory recommendation for oil changes was 4000 miles and change the filter every 8000! 67 was the last year Chevy had the cartridge/can type filter. 68 was the first spin-on.

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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtn96XJ
WHOA!!!!! I never thought of writing the date and mileage on my filter!!!! I'm that guy who looks at the odometer and says "Yeah, I think its about time for an oil change ..
I have some older vehicles that dont see much use, so I dont change the oil, fluids & filters on all of them as often as recommended

So this is a fairly failsafe way of making sure things dont get out of hand

I try and keep my own maintenance logs to, at least one of my vehicles is quite old and has a very extensive maintenance record

that adds a lot of value, come time to buy or sell, at least in my eyes
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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dave1123
I believe they also had a metric thread filter, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe that was just before 91, IDK. Even so, it's easily fixed by installing a later adapter. Or is it just the stud?

I pulled that roll pin out with vise-grips. I had the dimensions of it, but that was a while ago and the post-it note I wrote it on seems to have disappeared. Anyhow, I think it was 1&1/2" long and bottoms out at the right distance.The adapter has a groove molded into it that fits over the pin to keep it straight.
CRUISER'S MOSTLY RENIX TIPS

RENIX OIL FILTER TO SAE FILTER

JANUARY 3, 2016 CRUISER54 9 COMMENTS EDITTired of having a poor selection of oil filters for your Renix Jeep? Limited availabilty a pain for you? 20mm threads? We don’t need mumblemeter threads on our oil filters.

Here’s a simple mod that allows you to use the very popular SAE threaded oil filters which are more readily available. The old standard 3/4″ SAE thread.

You can purchase a new oil filter nipple from the dealer for under $10 and never be bothered again. Part number 53007563AB. It’s the one on the left.

Or, grab one off a 91 and later XJ at the junkyard. Be forewarned though. You need a 7/8 wrench to remove a Renix nipple, but a 15/16 wrench for the later style.

And just in case you need to replace your oil filter adapter o-rings, here’s a handy guide.

Oil Filter Adapter O-Ring Sizes
87-90 Renix Model O-rings

0.799 x 0.103 AS568 size -117
1.296 x 0.139 AS568 size -219
2.484 x 0.139 AS568 size –230

Dealer Part Numbers for Renix. Sold individually:

33002970, 33002971, 33002972

Renix kit from Crown Automotive-33002970K

91-01 HO Model Orings

0.676 x 0.070 AS568 size -017
0.859 x 0.139 AS568 size -212
2.484 x 0.139 AS568 size -230





Revised 03-07-2017
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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtn96XJ
WHOA!!!!! I never thought of writing the date and mileage on my filter!!!! I'm that guy who looks at the odometer and says "Yeah, I think its about time for an oil change IIRC......"
I remember how many miles the XJ had when I got it last August, so its not that hard to keep track of right now. And I've changed it once already and only put 2500 miles on it since I got the thing... I think..... I should keep better track of that.
I also have a sample I took from the oil that came out when I bought it.... I just need to stop being lazy and send it off the Blackstone... Then I'll send a sample of the T5 that's in there now when it comes time for a change...

Ya live under a rock or something?
Fleet vehicle maintenance guys do that all the time....I even heard the Air Force adopted that policy......
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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 11:31 PM
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I never had the means to own a fleet of vehicles. I'd normally buy one new or 1 year old and drive it until I didn't want to fix it anymore or someone offered me a good price for it. After I got married, my wife drove the good car and I bought a beat up pickup and drove it until it died or the frame cracked. Chevy's were good for that. After she passed, that's when I started with jeeps. My first was a learning experience. It was a POS and I didn't know any better. My second, this WJ, was a garage queen and immaculate. My XJ is a POS bodywise, but perfect as a backup for the WJ when I need it. The guy wanted $700, but I talked him down to $450. 2000 with 125K on it.
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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dave1123
I never had the means to own a fleet of vehicles. I'd normally buy one new or 1 year old and drive it until I didn't want to fix it anymore or someone offered me a good price for it. After I got married, my wife drove the good car and I bought a beat up pickup and drove it until it died or the frame cracked. Chevy's were good for that. After she passed, that's when I started with jeeps. My first was a learning experience. It was a POS and I didn't know any better. My second, this WJ, was a garage queen and immaculate. My XJ is a POS bodywise, but perfect as a backup for the WJ when I need it. The guy wanted $700, but I talked him down to $450. 2000 with 125K on it.
I had a fleet of tow trucks. Always needing something. And, I maintained Budget trucks and a few other fleets. So, even with no records in the cab, you still had the date and mileage on the filters.
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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 11:45 PM
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Oh, I'm not saying it's not a good idea. I'm just saying I have no need for it. Besides that, it's difficult to write on a black Wix filter!
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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dave1123
Oh, I'm not saying it's not a good idea. I'm just saying I have no need for it. Besides that, it's difficult to write on a black Wix filter!
the best thing is "Yellow marker paint"...or even a whiteout pen

many auto uses..I slathered my leaf spring bolts with coppeslip...not loctite, torqued them, and marked them...I know they havent moved as the yellow marks still line up

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Old Sep 21, 2020 | 01:55 AM
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I wouldn't say fleet, but four is too many to keep track of by memory any more. Either that or age has made the memory worse.

You could always get a roll of these:
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Old Sep 21, 2020 | 09:03 AM
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Whatever...you're missing my point. By going to a 5K interval, all I have to do is look at the odometer. Which brings about a point. Do you think I could get away with 10K with Rotella T6? At 5K, it hasn't even changed color.
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Old Sep 21, 2020 | 11:23 AM
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These days there are apps for it. I briefly contemplated writing my own (I'm a programmer by day), but then looked around and saw that CarFax has one that is usable. An added benefit (or liability, depending on your maintenance habits) is that what you put in there is on your CarFax report. That's what I use.
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Old Sep 21, 2020 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by vadim
These days there are apps for it. I briefly contemplated writing my own (I'm a programmer by day), but then looked around and saw that CarFax has one that is usable. An added benefit (or liability, depending on your maintenance habits) is that what you put in there is on your CarFax report. That's what I use.
Are you using the free car care/my carfax garage? As far as I know, that doesn't go to the Carfax report.
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