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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
Every time you screw with the butterfly, which you chould stop doing nw, you need to re-adjust the TPS on the engine side.

Refresh me here. You did the sensor ground test, right?
Which one is the sensor ground test?
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 01:12 PM
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Which one is the sensor ground test?
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 09:10 PM
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Yes, I have done the ground test. I re-did my grounds and get .5 Ohms.


I'm starting to wonder if it's not something fuel related? Or any other ideas.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 09:23 PM
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The grounds for your CTS, TPS, MAP. and IAT should be good then.

Check the line from the throttle body to MAP sensor. It has to be perfect. No splits, cracks, melted parts etc.

Remove your IAT and carefully clean the tip of it.

Check to be sure your intake manifold bolts are snug.

What do your vacuum lines all over the engine look like?
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
The grounds for your CTS, TPS, MAP. and IAT should be good then.

Check the line from the throttle body to MAP sensor. It has to be perfect. No splits, cracks, melted parts etc.

Remove your IAT and carefully clean the tip of it.

Check to be sure your intake manifold bolts are snug.

What do your vacuum lines all over the engine look like?


TB-Map should be good, I will check it again though.


I will check intake bolts tomorrow.


Vacuum lines are a mess but I haven't found anything that's open just sucking air, everything it plugged. Most of the ones unplugged are because the factory air box is removed and in place a cone filter.
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Use this to verify the vacuum system. also be sure the white plastic orifice in the rear valve cover grommet is not plugged. As a matter of fact, make sure the whole line is clearfrm the intake manifold.
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Old Dec 17, 2013 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
Use this to verify the vacuum system. also be sure the white plastic orifice in the rear valve cover grommet is not plugged. As a matter of fact, make sure the whole line is clearfrm the intake manifold.
I ran the vacuum lines some are there some are plugged... I don't think it has to do with my problem BECAUSE

This morning I started the jeep, I had to give it gas to start and drive with both feet holding the brake down and giving it gas coming to stops so it wouldn't die. I made my 5 mile commute to my buddies house where I pulled in his drive way and it idled fine. I could shut it off and immediately restart it without having to give it gas. If I let it sit for even 5 minutes I would have to give it gas to get it started and then hold the gas down for a few seconds then it would idle rough as can be for a minute and then clean up and idle perfect.
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Ya smelling gas like its flooding maybe leaking injectors ? Using gas pedal when starting is actually adding air not fuel on fuel injected systems.
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Originally Posted by freegdr
Ya smelling gas like its flooding maybe leaking injectors ? Using gas pedal when starting is actually adding air not fuel on fuel injected systems.
No, I don't smell any gas. I was thinking fuel pressure regulator possibly? I can shut if off and immediately restart it 10 times in a row with no problem. As soon as it sits, its hard to start and a has a rough idle.
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Is there fuel in the vacuum line to it, is there vacuum at the line when running ? Cruiser the person to listen to on this issue .
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Originally Posted by freegdr
Is there fuel in the vacuum line to it, is there vacuum at the line when running ? Cruiser the person to listen to on this issue .
I've only pulled that line a couple times. It does have vacuum, I didn't notice any fuel in it.
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What's plugged, according to the diagram?
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
What's plugged, according to the diagram?


Vacuum fitting on the front of the intake has two ports plugged. One that runs to EGR and the other runs to the air box. That's it.




I'm thinking this problem is beyond vacuum lines. The jeep starts great if I start it after immediately shutting it off, it will start perfect, 10 times in a row. If it sits for even 5 minutes, I have to give it gas for it to start.
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Try this then.
After it sits, turn the key to On and then Off about 3 times. THEN go to Start. Is it better?
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Old Dec 17, 2013 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
Try this then.
After it sits, turn the key to On and then Off about 3 times. THEN go to Start. Is it better?


I have tried that, in hopes of a weak fuel pump, not much better if any honestly.
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