Newb with some rear end Q's
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From: San Diego, Ca.
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee
Hey Thanks guys, so I crawled under there and the tag does confirm that its a D35 with 3.55's, so next thing will be a fluid change and new gasket for the diff. What gear lube are you guys running? Again Thanks!!
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From: Allentown, Pa
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
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Running any name brand gear oil should suffice for your rig, but Royal Purple would definitely be an upgraded option. You can get a basic name brand gear oil for your Xj for around $4-$10 a quart, versus $18-$20 for a quart of Royal Purple.
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From: Cove, OR
Year: 1993
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I'm not an expert on the topic, but I do believe your understanding of engine rpms versus tire rpms is incorrect.
It takes more revolutions of a small gear to turn a large gear. When the size of the larger gear is increased but the small gear remains the same, it takes more rotations of the small gear to fully rotate the large gear. When you change to a lower (Numerically higher) gear ratio it increases the size of the small gear, which will then make it require less turns of the small gear to fully rotate the large gear.
Basically what I'm saying is, with larger tires on stock gears, your engine rpms will be increased while you are driving compared to stock size tires.
It takes more revolutions of a small gear to turn a large gear. When the size of the larger gear is increased but the small gear remains the same, it takes more rotations of the small gear to fully rotate the large gear. When you change to a lower (Numerically higher) gear ratio it increases the size of the small gear, which will then make it require less turns of the small gear to fully rotate the large gear.
Basically what I'm saying is, with larger tires on stock gears, your engine rpms will be increased while you are driving compared to stock size tires.
Basically you are wrong. If you run taller tires on anything without changing the R&P you will be turning less RPMs,
Two examples a 33 inch tire and a 30 inch tires. With the larger tire the engine is turning 189 rpms less than the smaller tire.
70 mph x 3.55 x 336 / 33 x .75 = 1898 rpms
70 mph x 3.55 x 336 / 30 x .75 = 2087 rpms
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I've been at this for over 35 years. I know what happens when you put taller tires on any vehicle.
Basically you are wrong. If you run taller tires on anything without changing the R&P you will be turning less RPMs,
Two examples a 33 inch tire and a 30 inch tires. With the larger tire the engine is turning 189 rpms less than the smaller tire.
70 mph x 3.55 x 336 / 33 x .75 = 1898 rpms
70 mph x 3.55 x 336 / 30 x .75 = 2087 rpms
Basically you are wrong. If you run taller tires on anything without changing the R&P you will be turning less RPMs,
Two examples a 33 inch tire and a 30 inch tires. With the larger tire the engine is turning 189 rpms less than the smaller tire.
70 mph x 3.55 x 336 / 33 x .75 = 1898 rpms
70 mph x 3.55 x 336 / 30 x .75 = 2087 rpms
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Year: 1993
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I have no idea what you are talking about. If you go to larger tires you will need to go to a numerically higher ( lower gear ) gears to turn the same rpms as you were with stock gears. I showed you an example, what is it you don't understand?
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I was not arguing the fact that you need to change the gear ratio to maintain the same rpm range while driving. Infact, I already stated what you just have in your last post. What I was arguing is that fact that a vehicle with larger tires will in fact run a higher rpm range when driving versus a vehicle with stock tires. It's a fact that's proven every day.
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You didn't state anything about changing gear ratios! You stated that your Cherokee turned higher rpms with the 33s than with the stock tires. It isn't the tires that cause your Cherokee to turn higher rpms it is the ring and pinion ratios, You also state that every vehicle with larger tires will in fact run in a higher rpm range when driving verwus a vehicle with stock tires.
Bull! I know of 20 or more guys running larger tires that do not turn higher rpms than they did with stock tires.
You need to do some research about 4x4s so you will know what your talking about.
Bull! I know of 20 or more guys running larger tires that do not turn higher rpms than they did with stock tires.
You need to do some research about 4x4s so you will know what your talking about.
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From: Allentown, Pa
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I'm not an expert on the topic, but I do believe your understanding of engine rpms versus tire rpms is incorrect.
It takes more revolutions of a small gear to turn a large gear. When the size of the larger gear is increased but the small gear remains the same, it takes more rotations of the small gear to fully rotate the large gear. When you change to a lower (Numerically higher) gear ratio it increases the size of the small gear, which will then make it require less turns of the small gear to fully rotate the large gear.
Basically what I'm saying is, with larger tires on stock gears, your engine rpms will be increased while you are driving compared to stock size tires.
It takes more revolutions of a small gear to turn a large gear. When the size of the larger gear is increased but the small gear remains the same, it takes more rotations of the small gear to fully rotate the large gear. When you change to a lower (Numerically higher) gear ratio it increases the size of the small gear, which will then make it require less turns of the small gear to fully rotate the large gear.
Basically what I'm saying is, with larger tires on stock gears, your engine rpms will be increased while you are driving compared to stock size tires.
The bottom line is that a vehicle with larger tires on stock gears will run at higher rpms on the highway than a vehicle with stock tires and stock gears. Period... End of story. It's a fact that is proven every day on the street by every vehicle running larger than stock tires on stock gears (Including myself).
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You didn't state anything about changing gear ratios! You stated that your Cherokee turned higher rpms with the 33s than with the stock tires. It isn't the tires that cause your Cherokee to turn higher rpms it is the ring and pinion ratios, You also state that every vehicle with larger tires will in fact run in a higher rpm range when driving verwus a vehicle with stock tires.
Bull! I know of 20 or more guys running larger tires that do not turn higher rpms than they did with stock tires.
You need to do some research about 4x4s so you will know what your talking about.
Bull! I know of 20 or more guys running larger tires that do not turn higher rpms than they did with stock tires.
You need to do some research about 4x4s so you will know what your talking about.
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Are you honestly not understanding or are you just arguing for the hell of it?
Stock tires + stock gears = optimal rpm ranges on the road
Large tires + stock gears = Higher rpm ranges on the road
Large tires + large gears = optinal rpm ranges on the road restored.
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From: Cove, OR
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When did I ever say regearing your truck for larger tires was a waste of money? It's money well spent; it will restore the wheel to ground torque that is lost when running larger tires and will improve rpm ranges when driving.
Are you honestly not understanding or are you just arguing for the hell of it?
Stock tires + stock gears = optimal rpm ranges on the road
Large tires + stock gears = Higher rpm ranges on the road
Large tires + large gears = optinal rpm ranges on the road restored.
Are you honestly not understanding or are you just arguing for the hell of it?
Stock tires + stock gears = optimal rpm ranges on the road
Large tires + stock gears = Higher rpm ranges on the road
Large tires + large gears = optinal rpm ranges on the road restored.
PS you don't have a dana 35 axle in the front.
I'm done with this, can't believe anyone is this stupid.
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I have gave you examples of what engine rpms will be with two different size tires, if you don't understand that you are not correct you are just screwing with me. LOL Or you are to stupid to exist.
PS you don't have a dana 35 axle in the front.
I'm done with this, can't believe anyone is this stupid.
PS you don't have a dana 35 axle in the front.
I'm done with this, can't believe anyone is this stupid.
For some reason I am not surprised that you have reverted to insults. You don't exactly seem like the most mature person I've met on this forum. Goodbye. You have wasted more than enough of my time.
We are well off topic, so as for my part I am finished. Good luck with the rear, 90XJNSD.
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