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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 06:11 PM
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Long story short, I bought a '97 XJ with what turned out to be a cracked block. Located another motor and took a couple days off this week to swap them out. Everything went fairly well until I got to the two top bolts holding the trans to the block. They look like some kind of small 6-point star things? The two lower ones were just normal large bolts. And on top of that I could not get to them. I finally lowered the motor hoping to get a better shot at them, but still couldn't do it. So I decided to unbolt the crossmember and drop it more with the trans. That's when things went to hell, one of the crossmember bolts broke in my frame. Now how the f am I supposed to fix that? And on top of it all, I still couldn't get to these two bolts! Anybody know the secret to pulling these final two bolts so I can get this motor out? And I'm not sure what to do about the broken bolt, it's not like I can drill and tap another hole, the "frame" is sheet metal! And I've never had an easy-out work, all I've ever ended up with is a broken bolt with a broken easy-out.


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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 06:47 PM
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Long story short, I bought a '97 XJ with what turned out to be a cracked block. Located another motor and took a couple days off this week to swap them out. Everything went fairly well until I got to the two top bolts holding the trans to the block. They look like some kind of small 6-point star things? The two lower ones were just normal large bolts. And on top of that I could not get to them. I finally lowered the motor hoping to get a better shot at them, but still couldn't do it. So I decided to unbolt the crossmember and drop it more with the trans. That's when things went to hell, one of the crossmember bolts broke in my frame. Now how the f am I supposed to fix that? And on top of it all, I still couldn't get to these two bolts! Anybody know the secret to pulling these final two bolts so I can get this motor out? And I'm not sure what to do about the broken bolt, it's not like I can drill and tap another hole, the "frame" is sheet metal! And I've never had an easy-out work, all I've ever ended up with is a broken bolt with a broken easy-out.


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It's an E-12 socket, IIRC...you are on the right path, by lowering the crossmember, once you lower it use a couple of long extensions, with a u-joint or wobble socket on the end before the E12. For the broken bolt, try to drill it out, and use an ez-out, if it doesn't work, drill it out completely, then weld a washer to a new nut, then place it in the hole you drilled out, washer side facing you, and weld in place. Ask me how I know, LOL
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 07:04 PM
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Thanks man, that's what I had, an E12 socket. So I guess the 70's weren't revisiting me after all!!


I wonder why they did that to begin with? If it had been a regular bolt I think I could have grabbed it from the top with a wrench. Hope that thing isn't torqued down too hard!!


And that's a great idea for fixing the crossmember, guess I'm not the only one with rotten luck!
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 07:17 PM
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You can go back in with these bolts. The pic says 1988 - 1996 Parts Catalog, but these bolts are good for up to 2001 as well. The '88-'96 catalogs gave the bolt dimensions, later catalogs did not.


I used these bolts when I R&R'd my motor.


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You can go back in with these bolts. The pic says 1988 - 1996 Parts Catalog, but these bolts are good for up to 2001 as well. The '88-'96 catalogs gave the bolt dimensions, later catalogs did not.


I used these bolts when I R&R'd my motor.


Excellent advice, if you want to replace them...mine came out with no issue, so I put 'em back in, with no issue...a great alternative though, thanks Ken for great info as always
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And that's a great idea for fixing the crossmember, guess I'm not the only one with rotten luck!
LOL...learn to weld folks...then you can fix anything...
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Don't forget the starter bolts. One bolt metric and the other SAE. Keep them straight. Why they used the external torx is beyond crazy. I think the tool makers are in cahoots with the car makers. Just buy another set of sockets all for one set of bolts...LOL.
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Always loosen those upper bolts first.
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