First oil change
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From: Lansing, MI
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Ok... just for the record... Don't buy into Lucas Oil's claims. Yes, a little bit now and again won't hurt, but if your engine is healthy, there's no need for it. It might give a little bit of extra life to a dying engine, or quiet down a noisy engine, but you're basically putting VERY thick oil into an engine designed to run on a thinner oil.
Imagine trying to swim through a pool filled with syrup...that's basically what you're doing to your engine with Lucas Oil. If you do use it, half a bottle at most between oil changes... any more just isn't necessary.
Imagine trying to swim through a pool filled with syrup...that's basically what you're doing to your engine with Lucas Oil. If you do use it, half a bottle at most between oil changes... any more just isn't necessary.
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From: phoenix az
Year: 1989
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0l 6 cylinder
Originally Posted by 77olds
Ok... just for the record... Don't buy into Lucas Oil's claims. Yes, a little bit now and again won't hurt, but if your engine is healthy, there's no need for it. It might give a little bit of extra life to a dying engine, or quiet down a noisy engine, but you're basically putting VERY thick oil into an engine designed to run on a thinner oil.
Imagine trying to swim through a pool filled with syrup...that's basically what you're doing to your engine with Lucas Oil. If you do use it, half a bottle at most between oil changes... any more just isn't necessary.
Imagine trying to swim through a pool filled with syrup...that's basically what you're doing to your engine with Lucas Oil. If you do use it, half a bottle at most between oil changes... any more just isn't necessary.
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From: Gibsonia, Pa
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Originally Posted by 1996sportXJ
Don't do what this guy does. Whatever kind of oil you decide to put in, do NOT use Fram!! A lot of mixed reviews on synthetics but when I got my XJ with 126k on it, I switched to mobil 1 10w30 synthetic and it runs flawlessly

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From: Indianapolis
Year: '99 and '91
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Originally Posted by 1996sportXJ
Don't do what this guy does. Whatever kind of oil you decide to put in, do NOT use Fram!! A lot of mixed reviews on synthetics but when I got my XJ with 126k on it, I switched to mobil 1 10w30 synthetic and it runs flawlessly

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From: phoenix az
Year: 1989
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0l 6 cylinder
Originally Posted by DieselD
Just wondering what everyone's beef with fram is? Stp or fram is what I usually get. I always thought fram was a bit better than stp
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From: Manchester, N.H.
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
Link to some fram info, but just google "orange can of death" then make your own decision. IU know of noone who has actually had these issues w fram, but ive heard enough to put doubt in my mind. I personally run a Wix or Mobil 1 filter.
http://205.243.146.146/forums/ubbthr...Number=2092740
http://205.243.146.146/forums/ubbthr...Number=2092740
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From: Kentucky
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Schaeffer 10W-30 Full Synthetic & Mobil Filter. Also run Schaeffer in the front and rear differentials, transmission and transfer case.
Not all oil is made the same.
Some insight per my rep and a man I respect and believe he knows what he is talking about.
"The biggest thing about oil products is the BASE oil in the product, it comes in different Groups / levels. Most oil company’s do not bring it up, because they are using the lowest group . Here’s the thing, oil like Shell for example or any other big name oil is a bi-product from making gas . 1 crude barrel of oil (42 gallon) produces around 28 gallons of fuel, 6 gallons of napathtic oil, grease and asphalt , and ½ a gallon of paraffin oil (the highest quality) so Shell , Castrol , and quacker state all use the low grade , they are all owned by fuel company’s they have to get rid of it. Companies that only specialize in lubricants and want to sell something better, buy the paraffin oil , like Schaeffer’s , royal purple, and AMES oil. After you get a good base oil then the additive you put in it , is what makes them different from one another. There is a lot more to it, but I don’t type fast so this is the shorter version."
Not all oil is made the same.
Some insight per my rep and a man I respect and believe he knows what he is talking about.
"The biggest thing about oil products is the BASE oil in the product, it comes in different Groups / levels. Most oil company’s do not bring it up, because they are using the lowest group . Here’s the thing, oil like Shell for example or any other big name oil is a bi-product from making gas . 1 crude barrel of oil (42 gallon) produces around 28 gallons of fuel, 6 gallons of napathtic oil, grease and asphalt , and ½ a gallon of paraffin oil (the highest quality) so Shell , Castrol , and quacker state all use the low grade , they are all owned by fuel company’s they have to get rid of it. Companies that only specialize in lubricants and want to sell something better, buy the paraffin oil , like Schaeffer’s , royal purple, and AMES oil. After you get a good base oil then the additive you put in it , is what makes them different from one another. There is a lot more to it, but I don’t type fast so this is the shorter version."
Last edited by Crazy Amos; Feb 29, 2012 at 02:45 PM.
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From: Indianapolis
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I youtubed "fram oil filters " and found a video of a guy showing the internals of an orange fram a Napa standard a Napa gold and a k&n. The only difference between Napa gold and standard was the gold having more pleats in the filter. The k&n was the best, most pleats solid drain back valve. The fram now that kinda scared me. Least pleats. Rubber drain back and cardboard end caps. This endcaps are probably why my fram filters were heavier when spent than others. They're soaked in oil! That video makes me want to buy k&n.



