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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dougy_fresh
disconnect makes it so that the front driveshaft does not turn while in 4wd.

The front driveshaft turns at all times. The 4wd engagement takes place within the transfer case.

The vacuum disconnect does nothing more than join the 2 pieces of the passemger side axle shaft.

An open differential is designed to send power to the wheel with the least amount of traction. Therefore when the vac disco is malfunctioning and the collar does not slide into place, the inner shaft spins within the axle housing and the front wheels do not turn.

Locking the collar in place is NO DIFFERENT than having a later model axle with the one piece axle shaft and has no effect on normal driving.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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That is the answer I was lookin for. Good Bye vacuume disconect, Hello modification! Probably doin it tomorrow. Just wanted to make sure that lockin em together wouldn't mess with turning and such.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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Are there any pics?
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by VAXJCOUNTRY
From what you say above it seems that my understanding could be realised if you weld the gears. What would be the downside to doing it that way?
i dont really see a down side to this, unless the the collar on the disconnect slips off, and then all the power going the front axle will all go to the drivers side wheel, causeing a greater stress and greater chance of breaking a u-joint/axle shaft. But thats like the same thing when you have a locker and flexed out to where only the 1 tire is touching the ground anyways,...

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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 09:38 PM
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it will also make it very difficult for turning right.

with my locker installed, and the posi disco'd, i usually have to make a few attempts to make a right hand turn on the trail. left is normal tho.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 09:46 PM
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Are you saying with your passenger shaft disconnected tht you are having troubles turning? That doesn't make sense, if the passenger tire isn't connected to the other side then they can spin separately. I know what a locker is/does, but that would only connect/lock the drivers side axle shaft with the inner passenger axle shaft.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 09:49 PM
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only while in 4 wheel drive, with all the power just going to the drivers side front wheel, making right hand turns is more difficult. it's harder to push the front end to the right than it is to the left. it's just simple physics.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Midwest_Mudder
Are you saying with your passenger shaft disconnected tht you are having troubles turning? That doesn't make sense, if the passenger tire isn't connected to the other side then they can spin separately. I know what a locker is/does, but that would only connect/lock the drivers side axle shaft with the inner passenger axle shaft.

Basically the rear axle will typically send power to the right wheel under normal conditions. With the front axle locked and making a left turn the left front tire has to make a wider turn than the right front and the right rear. The rear will be trying the push the front during a right turn because of the greater distance the front tire has to rotate. When making a left turn the left front tire has to travel a shorter distance than the right rear and it tries to pull the rear making the turn easier.

Much the same way that when the rear axle is locked the rear tires will scrub during a turn. The tire on the inside of the turn has to travel a shorter distance than the outside tire. Depending on which tire has the greater amount of traction, either the inner tire will slip, or the outer tire will drag. Either way you will hear the rear tires chirping around corners.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:08 PM
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sorry, yes, my rear is locked too.

winston explained it pretty good. but it is only noticeable while in 4wd on the trail. only the left front makes a wider turn when turning right. when turning left, that tire pulls the front very easily. i think it has something to do with the angle of the tire at full turn also.

in 2wd, it is un-noticeable.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:40 PM
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A disco front is so the front drive shaft, and 4x4 half of the transfer case does not turn in 2WD, saving fuel and wear and tear on those components. In 2WD drive the drivers axle, spider gears, and the inboard half of the passenger side axle, are all that turns.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TR1Hemi
A disco front is so the front drive shaft, and 4x4 half of the transfer case does not turn in 2WD, saving fuel and wear and tear on those components. In 2WD drive the drivers axle, spider gears, and the inboard half of the passenger side axle, are all that turns.

Again, the front driveshaft always turns when the vehicle is in motion. In 2wd or 4wd it turns. Have someone drive your Jeep down the driveway in 2wd and look at it, it will be turning.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:53 PM
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It doesnt turn. Maybe your vac motor is stuck engaged, my whole vac disco system, T/C switch, and lines are all new, 4x4 light on the dash goes on and off as it should.

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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:55 PM
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Then something is wrong in your front diff. The driveshaft is turned by the diff when the wheels are in motion. All of the 4wd engagement takes place inside the transfer case but the driveshaft does turn.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:59 PM
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or maybe your spiders gear are tight.
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Old Mar 20, 2010 | 11:02 PM
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I just put a Lock Right in it today nothing wrong in there.
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