Cranking out the horses on a 4.0, help
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From: N.J. Shore Area
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: l6 HO
hmm... that might be somethin to look into. i just did a full tune up on my 99 and i put in Bosch +2's with Napa premium wires, before that i was running Bosch+4's but now that's starting to seem like it was a waste of money, yes i was working at NAPA so i got a discount on the plugs. I'll have to try Champions next time. Is there any certain Champions that you run?
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From: Coventry, CT
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 high output, Alabama Cylinder head, 60mm bored TB
You must've got bad gas or your TPS is messed up. If I run premium mine will starting pinging occasionally. I also read you have different plugs in there. Might be the reason it runs differently on premium. I would just throw the good ole' Champion copper truck plugs in and run regular gas. I noticed no change in mpg when I ran premium.
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Year: 2008
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 3.0L CRD
i've been pumping premium for two years now into my 1995, and it ran much better than regular gas.
pretty much, using whatever bolt on after market parts is one way to go, doing the fuel injector upgrades (a few posts on that you can search for here), and changing to better fluids are all you really can do unless you send the engine out to make it a stroker.
speaking of this subject, i wish somebody out there was making performance profile camshafts for the I6. having that combined with all the other engine modifications we do to our engines, the gains would be tremendous. i've searched high and low for anybody out there that makes them, and there is not one person who has. by the time i get done with college, if nobody has done that yet, i might as well open a machine shop and start producing them.
pretty much, using whatever bolt on after market parts is one way to go, doing the fuel injector upgrades (a few posts on that you can search for here), and changing to better fluids are all you really can do unless you send the engine out to make it a stroker.
speaking of this subject, i wish somebody out there was making performance profile camshafts for the I6. having that combined with all the other engine modifications we do to our engines, the gains would be tremendous. i've searched high and low for anybody out there that makes them, and there is not one person who has. by the time i get done with college, if nobody has done that yet, i might as well open a machine shop and start producing them.
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From: Algoma, WI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
You must've got bad gas or your TPS is messed up. If I run premium mine will starting pinging occasionally. I also read you have different plugs in there. Might be the reason it runs differently on premium. I would just throw the good ole' Champion copper truck plugs in and run regular gas. I noticed no change in mpg when I ran premium.
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From: omaha
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 Liter H.O.
speaking of this subject, i wish somebody out there was making performance profile camshafts for the I6. having that combined with all the other engine modifications we do to our engines, the gains would be tremendous. i've searched high and low for anybody out there that makes them, and there is not one person who has. by the time i get done with college, if nobody has done that yet, i might as well open a machine shop and start producing them.
As far as getting more hp for the money, I don't believe a flowmaster is going to give you much if any more power over stock, it is a chambered muffler and IMO designed more for sound than performance. For optimal power on exhaust I would get a high flow cat (so it's legal and you have some back pressure so you don't need a new tune) and some kind of turbo muffler. Also the jeep exhaust (at least 93) really bottle neck (it's only 2" before car) so I would run 2.5" from the manifold all the way back. The high flow cat might cost you a bit, but you can buy everything else you need to do a complete 2.5 (in stainless if you want) from summit for pretty cheep, then just find an exhaust shop with mandrel bender and have them bend similar to stock exhaust and weld hangers on, or I even think summit sells bolt on hangers.
As far as people saying intakes and throttle body spacer's not being worth it, IDK, I put performance distributors ignition kit on and noticed no difference, but on my 93 I put on AEM intake, 62mm hesco tb and 62 mm tb spacer, and the difference is huge and incredibly noticed, now my butt dyno is not calibrated, and it could just feel different from bigger throttle body, more air getting in quicker, but even if I didn't gain any hp (which I highly doubt, but still, even if I didn't) it was totally worth it from the way it drives now, to the way it drove it before) If I gun it a bit in first the tires actually break loose very easily now (they didn't before) and before going up a somewhat a steep hill at say 45 mph in 5th gear (I have a manual) I could hold it down to full throttle and it would just maintain speed, where now on seem hill in 5th its effortless to go up in 5th, and if I give it gas it actually accelerates up the hill. (not fast at all, but it doesn't accelerate up hill now)
Also the previous owner had some platinum +4 plugs or something crazy like that, and when I switched to the basic champion coppers it seemed to run better, copper is definitely a better conductor, it is just high maintenance compared to the other plugs out there, you have to check them out at every 15k or something like that, a lot more often than the platinum and iridium plugs, but IMO it is worth it.
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From: St Augustine Florida
Year: 1992
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
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From: Clinton, CT
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 ho
http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoTBboring.htm bore the stock tb, cai, header, 2000 h up intake manifold, thats just for starters
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Year: 2008
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 3.0L CRD
hmm... that might be somethin to look into. i just did a full tune up on my 99 and i put in Bosch +2's with Napa premium wires, before that i was running Bosch+4's but now that's starting to seem like it was a waste of money, yes i was working at NAPA so i got a discount on the plugs. I'll have to try Champions next time. Is there any certain Champions that you run?
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Year: 2008
Model: Grand Cherokee
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From: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 rebuilt w/ bored TB, banks header, upgraded ignition, 3 row rad, high flow h2o pump, 180* t-stat
keep in mind those cams only work up to 1997 with the older single groove valves and taller springs. nobody manufactures a performance profile cam for 1998 to 2001 when they redesigned the cam, timing gears and head.
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From: omaha
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 Liter H.O.
Also didn't he later models have like smaller exhaust ports or something and that's why the intake manifold is better? If had had a 98+ I would probably just try and do a head swap for earlier model year.
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From: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
Year: 1998
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Engine: 4.0 rebuilt w/ bored TB, banks header, upgraded ignition, 3 row rad, high flow h2o pump, 180* t-stat
If someone really wanted I can I can point in right direction to get one made, but it would cost an arm and a leg unless someone bought like 50 hoping other would want them as well, and then sold them to recoup money, cause just a one-off cam is ultra expensive.
Also didn't he later models have like smaller exhaust ports or something and that's why the intake manifold is better? If had had a 98+ I would probably just try and do a head swap for earlier model year.
Also didn't he later models have like smaller exhaust ports or something and that's why the intake manifold is better? If had had a 98+ I would probably just try and do a head swap for earlier model year.
I looked into getting one custom ground but it was gonna cost and arm and both legs. And the air/exhaust ports are smaller on the 98+ heads and the intake runners were redesigned to compensate for the smaller valves and intake/exhaust ports. And you could take an earlier year head but there's no point if you can't get a peformance cam for the block. That and you would have to drill and tap the head for the temp sensor. Be easier to get an aluminum head from hesco.
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From: omaha
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 Liter H.O.
I looked into getting one custom ground but it was gonna cost and arm and both legs. And the air/exhaust ports are smaller on the 98+ heads and the intake runners were redesigned to compensate for the smaller valves and intake/exhaust ports. And you could take an earlier year head but there's no point if you can't get a peformance cam for the block. That and you would have to drill and tap the head for the temp sensor. Be easier to get an aluminum head from hesco.
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From: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
Year: 1998
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Engine: 4.0 rebuilt w/ bored TB, banks header, upgraded ignition, 3 row rad, high flow h2o pump, 180* t-stat
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Year: 2008
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 3.0L CRD
good thing i have the stock motor in my 1995.
in your honest opinion, which cam in that list would you say is better in respects for still being a DD and being able to still go off road?
in your honest opinion, which cam in that list would you say is better in respects for still being a DD and being able to still go off road?


