come along?
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From: Northern Ontario, Canada
Year: 1990, 1999, 2000
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yeah ok bud
for the record, i have no certificate, but have attended a few off road recovery courses as well as roadside recovery training for CAA.
but what do i know.
chain vs. strap, 10,000lb shock load, 2"x30ft, 3"x20ft and a grade 47 chain you find at harbor freight. test it out for yourself.
cheers.
for the record, i have no certificate, but have attended a few off road recovery courses as well as roadside recovery training for CAA.
but what do i know.
chain vs. strap, 10,000lb shock load, 2"x30ft, 3"x20ft and a grade 47 chain you find at harbor freight. test it out for yourself.
cheers.
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From: Paso Robles Ca
Year: 1991
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
yeah ok bud
for the record, i have no certificate, but have attended a few off road recovery courses as well as roadside recovery training for CAA.
but what do i know.
chain vs. strap, 10,000lb shock load, 2"x30ft, 3"x20ft and a grade 47 chain you find at harbor freight. test it out for yourself.
cheers.
for the record, i have no certificate, but have attended a few off road recovery courses as well as roadside recovery training for CAA.
but what do i know.
chain vs. strap, 10,000lb shock load, 2"x30ft, 3"x20ft and a grade 47 chain you find at harbor freight. test it out for yourself.
cheers.
it said that a strap was better for pull yank and jerk because of the elastic
response of the strap
a chain is good for steady pull jerking a chain is not recommended
because it could cause more damage to the vehicle do to the fact that it has no give
I only got training in the military I was on a M88 A1 recovery vehicle
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From: Northern Ontario, Canada
Year: 1990, 1999, 2000
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you're right, it said chain is ok for a steady no static pull and roll over recovery, but not for snatching.
i originally said chains are not recommended in our sport. with the uneven terrain, you simply cannot pull anything off rocks or out of mud without jerking the stuck vehicle. therefor snatching is inevitable.
even with a winch cable, there is a right and a wrong way to use it properly.
i inspect my winch cable after every wheeling trip if it gets used, simply when i restring my winch. i have also had it inspected by a cable inspector who inspects elevator cables and he showed me what to look for.
so i do have quite a bit of training, along with many years of wheeling experience. so i kinda know what i'm talking about. just a little.
i'm just saying you want to turn kinetic energy from the moving vehicle into potential energy within the strap. chains have no potential energy, therefor risking the chance of it breaking.
if there's a chance to minimize injury, we should take it.
i originally said chains are not recommended in our sport. with the uneven terrain, you simply cannot pull anything off rocks or out of mud without jerking the stuck vehicle. therefor snatching is inevitable.
even with a winch cable, there is a right and a wrong way to use it properly.
i inspect my winch cable after every wheeling trip if it gets used, simply when i restring my winch. i have also had it inspected by a cable inspector who inspects elevator cables and he showed me what to look for.
so i do have quite a bit of training, along with many years of wheeling experience. so i kinda know what i'm talking about. just a little.
i'm just saying you want to turn kinetic energy from the moving vehicle into potential energy within the strap. chains have no potential energy, therefor risking the chance of it breaking.
if there's a chance to minimize injury, we should take it.
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From: Paso Robles Ca
Year: 1991
Model: Cherokee
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I think pirate has lots of blowhards
but this is a good read
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/
but this is a good read
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/
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Joined: Nov 2008
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From: Paso Robles Ca
Year: 1991
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
you're right, it said chain is ok for a steady no static pull and roll over recovery, but not for snatching.
i originally said chains are not recommended in our sport. with the uneven terrain, you simply cannot pull anything off rocks or out of mud without jerking the stuck vehicle. therefor snatching is inevitable.
even with a winch cable, there is a right and a wrong way to use it properly.
i inspect my winch cable after every wheeling trip if it gets used, simply when i restring my winch. i have also had it inspected by a cable inspector who inspects elevator cables and he showed me what to look for.
so i do have quite a bit of training, along with many years of wheeling experience. so i kinda know what i'm talking about. just a little.
i'm just saying you want to turn kinetic energy from the moving vehicle into potential energy within the strap. chains have no potential energy, therefor risking the chance of it breaking.
if there's a chance to minimize injury, we should take it.
i originally said chains are not recommended in our sport. with the uneven terrain, you simply cannot pull anything off rocks or out of mud without jerking the stuck vehicle. therefor snatching is inevitable.
even with a winch cable, there is a right and a wrong way to use it properly.
i inspect my winch cable after every wheeling trip if it gets used, simply when i restring my winch. i have also had it inspected by a cable inspector who inspects elevator cables and he showed me what to look for.
so i do have quite a bit of training, along with many years of wheeling experience. so i kinda know what i'm talking about. just a little.
i'm just saying you want to turn kinetic energy from the moving vehicle into potential energy within the strap. chains have no potential energy, therefor risking the chance of it breaking.
if there's a chance to minimize injury, we should take it.
I have a question how do you connect two straps
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From: eaton ohio
Year: 93
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exactly. a worn strap should be tossed.
i inspect every piece of my equipment, including my jeep. if anything is even slightly worn (except for tires) it gets replaced.
i am a trail guide for one of canada's better off road events, so i have to practice what i preach.
i also inspect every rig that comes out on my runs. if it doesn't pass my inspection, it doesn't come on my run.
but all seasoned wheelers are usually pretty good when it comes to recovery gear. but some are noobs and learn the proper way. no hooks, no chains and no worn straps. but we'll always offer up our own straps for others.
with that being said, i carry 3 proper recovery straps, so they're used in rotation. one strap used per tug. they need time to relax and recover.
chains are dangerous, no matter what. i don't care who has what experience with them, they have no place in a jeep.
sorry bud, but that's the way it is. ask this on pirate and see what they say.
i inspect every piece of my equipment, including my jeep. if anything is even slightly worn (except for tires) it gets replaced.
i am a trail guide for one of canada's better off road events, so i have to practice what i preach.
i also inspect every rig that comes out on my runs. if it doesn't pass my inspection, it doesn't come on my run.
but all seasoned wheelers are usually pretty good when it comes to recovery gear. but some are noobs and learn the proper way. no hooks, no chains and no worn straps. but we'll always offer up our own straps for others.
with that being said, i carry 3 proper recovery straps, so they're used in rotation. one strap used per tug. they need time to relax and recover.
chains are dangerous, no matter what. i don't care who has what experience with them, they have no place in a jeep.
sorry bud, but that's the way it is. ask this on pirate and see what they say.
Last edited by claygrassmann; Mar 3, 2009 at 05:30 PM.
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From: Paso Robles Ca
Year: 1991
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some say dont it will be a projectile if the strap brakes
so you should choke or loop
but if you choke or loop you will reduce the working strenth of the strap
and this it true
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From: Northern Illinois
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The correct method for connecting two straps is here....
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f30/basics-tow-straps-7558/
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He let someone else hook up the straps without inspecting the other guys strap. The strap was damaged, it failed..The shackle went through the rear window of his truck and killed him...
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From: eaton ohio
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Absolutely incorrect.....
The correct method for connecting two straps is here....
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/showthread.php?t=7558
The correct method for connecting two straps is here....
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/showthread.php?t=7558
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From: Paso Robles Ca
Year: 1991
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that type of connection makes week spot and will reduce the load capability of the strap
and sorry the guy got killed but if he would have used some recoil protection it would not have happened
you should use something to dampen the recoil all the time every time
chain or strap
and sorry the guy got killed but if he would have used some recoil protection it would not have happened
you should use something to dampen the recoil all the time every time
chain or strap