brakes soft still??!
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From: Australia
Year: 1997 (RHD)
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0 ltr
I must say, that over the last few weeks I have been indulging in tracking down the squishy pedal, that I think I've always had since I got the XJ.
replaced shoes, pads, rotors, ended up changing master cylinder all with nil improvement.
I bled the system, 5x, one man method, two man methos, heck I used 3x 750 ml in total during this, good enough to flush the whole system several times. If there is still air in there, I dont know how to get that out anymore, since I practically flushed everything that was in there, out, fluid +/- air.
Now about to replace my OEM front brake hoses...not fit with steel lines (those WILL give you most likely hard(er) pedal, but with rubber once first. Haven't got any leaks, and the breaks work ok, just that squishy sounds. Brakebooster working, no rod adjustment....
What I'm trying to say is: soft/squishy is likely air in the system, even in my case where I properly bled the system....more than 5x. So I'm open to suggestions on how to get that out (and maybe the OP too)...and despite I think my booster might actually cause that squishy sound, I've no indications my booster isn't working properly , going by the tests from the FSM...
replaced shoes, pads, rotors, ended up changing master cylinder all with nil improvement.
I bled the system, 5x, one man method, two man methos, heck I used 3x 750 ml in total during this, good enough to flush the whole system several times. If there is still air in there, I dont know how to get that out anymore, since I practically flushed everything that was in there, out, fluid +/- air.
Now about to replace my OEM front brake hoses...not fit with steel lines (those WILL give you most likely hard(er) pedal, but with rubber once first. Haven't got any leaks, and the breaks work ok, just that squishy sounds. Brakebooster working, no rod adjustment....
What I'm trying to say is: soft/squishy is likely air in the system, even in my case where I properly bled the system....more than 5x. So I'm open to suggestions on how to get that out (and maybe the OP too)...and despite I think my booster might actually cause that squishy sound, I've no indications my booster isn't working properly , going by the tests from the FSM...
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Joined: Mar 2010
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From: Broward County Fl.
Year: 1989 xj sport 2dr
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 12 hole bosch Injectors
I must say, that over the last few weeks I have been indulging in tracking down the squishy pedal, that I think I've always had since I got the XJ.
replaced shoes, pads, rotors, ended up changing master cylinder all with nil improvement.
I bled the system, 5x, one man method, two man methos, heck I used 3x 750 ml in total during this, good enough to flush the whole system several times. If there is still air in there, I dont know how to get that out anymore, since I practically flushed everything that was in there, out, fluid +/- air.
Now about to replace my OEM front brake hoses...not fit with steel lines (those WILL give you most likely hard(er) pedal, but with rubber once first. Haven't got any leaks, and the breaks work ok, just that squishy sounds. Brakebooster working, no rod adjustment....
What I'm trying to say is: soft/squishy is likely air in the system, even in my case where I properly bled the system....more than 5x. So I'm open to suggestions on how to get that out (and maybe the OP too)...and despite I think my booster might actually cause that squishy sound, I've no indications my booster isn't working properly , going by the tests from the FSM...
replaced shoes, pads, rotors, ended up changing master cylinder all with nil improvement.
I bled the system, 5x, one man method, two man methos, heck I used 3x 750 ml in total during this, good enough to flush the whole system several times. If there is still air in there, I dont know how to get that out anymore, since I practically flushed everything that was in there, out, fluid +/- air.
Now about to replace my OEM front brake hoses...not fit with steel lines (those WILL give you most likely hard(er) pedal, but with rubber once first. Haven't got any leaks, and the breaks work ok, just that squishy sounds. Brakebooster working, no rod adjustment....
What I'm trying to say is: soft/squishy is likely air in the system, even in my case where I properly bled the system....more than 5x. So I'm open to suggestions on how to get that out (and maybe the OP too)...and despite I think my booster might actually cause that squishy sound, I've no indications my booster isn't working properly , going by the tests from the FSM...
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Joined: Jan 2012
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From: Australia
Year: 1997 (RHD)
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0 ltr
No noise and pedal appears ok...pedal becomes good solid with engine off, so the.booster should be.good...and pedal is not hard when driving, which also makes me believe the booster should be ok.
Last edited by Roler; Jan 27, 2014 at 08:14 AM.
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OK, I thought noise on application was mentioned.
With engine off, and if you push down hard on the brake pedal and hold it for about a minute...does it sink further toward the floor?
With engine off, and if you push down hard on the brake pedal and hold it for about a minute...does it sink further toward the floor?
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From: Australia
Year: 1997 (RHD)
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0 ltr
Well, if the squishy sound isnt a bad thing, I dont really care...I reckon I've had it for quite a while, maybe even years, but never really paid attention to it. Just wanting to know if this is something I should keep chasing...
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From: Broward County Fl.
Year: 1989 xj sport 2dr
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 12 hole bosch Injectors
Is the rubber tube still on booster by brake pedal from what ive found the wooshing is vacuum rushing in and out of booster the rubber tubes a silencer ? Sounds strange but who knows ?
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From: Broward County Fl.
Year: 1989 xj sport 2dr
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 12 hole bosch Injectors
CF Veteran
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,170
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From: Australia
Year: 1997 (RHD)
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0 ltr
I'll have a look....when I pocked my head underneath the dash to investigate that area, I could not see any disconnected parts or lines. But will check again...


