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Blue Devil Head Gasket Sealer and Pour-N-Go sealer

Old Jul 28, 2013 | 07:54 PM
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The only time you want to use this stuff is on your way to the auction.
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Firestorm500
The only time you want to use this stuff is on your way to the auction.
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BimmerJeeper
I was once a huge skeptic about miracles in a can, until I personally knew two people who used "Bar's Leak" to solve their head gasket issues.
One of them still owns the car, over a year later. Runs great.

The stuff does actually works (on certain leaks, of course), but you need to decide for yourself and your circumstances.

OP said he's buying time.
He might not have $1500-$2000 for a new head gasket repair.
(Even just a new exhaust manifold job is $1200 at the dealer)
Maybe he's planning on junking his XJ a year from now.

Good luck with your decision.
Good reply. On a personal note I had a S-10 that the head gasket was leaking coolant on the outside of the engine so bad it was fouling #3 sparkplug (the plug well was filling up with water). I did not have the time to do a head job so I used Bars to buy time until I could do the proper repair. Then I decided "what the heck, I'll just wait until I'm losing coolant again......well, that was about 9 years and 100k miles ago! It is worth a try and won't hurt a thing if it doesn't work. Just don't get carried away and add more than what is recommended.
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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GM added the Bar's pellets ('GM cooling system seal tabs") to all their new cars at the factory up until a few years ago. It's absolutely harmless unless your cooling system is on the verge of plugging up anyway from neglect- they do work on small leaks.
It's worth repeating that they bear no resemblance to the Sodium Silicate based 'block sealer' liquids.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 12:32 PM
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Radi, do you know why GM stopped sealing their cooling system with Bar's?
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 01:08 PM
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I definately dont want to admit it, but I have used Blue Devil, back in winter of 2007. Clogged cooling system to point of bursting upper radiator hose on ex Girlfriends 2000 Durango. Expensive hose if i remember, with radiator cap built in. Very Expensive Snakecoolant oil.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BimmerJeeper
Radi, do you know why GM stopped sealing their cooling system with Bar's?
Yep, I do. Acc'd to my kid who has been a GM tech for quite a while, they stopped in 1997-98 depending on the engine and whether the engine used DexCool or not.
If the system was run even a little bit low with DexCool, rust and sludge would develop in the cooling system.
That crud would vent into the overflow when hot, then back into the radiator when it cooled (as it is supposed to do), passing through the radiator cap seal along the way.
Each pass through would deposit a bit of rusty goop on the cap and it's sealing surface until the cap eventually stopped sealing. That opened the system permanently to outside air. Outside air and DexCool are a bad combination. Older systems would merely overheat. Early DexCool systems would plug up.
Enter the sealer tabs. They tried to do their job by building up around the cap seal, but in doing so they made the problem worse.
As the fibers built up around the minor cap leak, they actually held the cap even further off the seal and worsened the leaking when hot and the air ingestion when cold.
One by one GM stopped adding them to engines to cut down on DexCool issues, and as manufacturing improved it was no longer necessary anyway.

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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Radi
Yep, I do. Acc'd to my kid who has been a GM tech for quite a while, they stopped in 1997-98 depending on the engine and whether the engine used DexCool or not.
If the system was run even a little bit low with DexCool, rust and sludge would develop in the cooling system.
That crud would vent into the overflow when hot, then back into the radiator when it cooled (as it is supposed to do), passing through the radiator cap seal along the way.
Each pass through would deposit a bit of rusty goop on the cap and it's sealing surface until the cap eventually stopped sealing. That opened the system permanently to outside air. Outside air and DexCool are a bad combination. Older systems would merely overheat. Early DexCool systems would plug up.
Enter the sealer tabs. They tried to do their job by building up around the cap seal, but in doing so they made the problem worse.
As the fibers built up around the minor cap leak, they actually held the cap even further off the seal and worsened the leaking when hot and the air ingestion when cold.
One by one GM stopped adding them to engines to cut down on DexCool issues, and as manufacturing improved it was no longer necessary anyway.
You beat me to it Radi and a dead-on answer. Dexcool along with ALL organic (OAT) coolants can be a nightmare in older or neglected systems. IMO the old conventional (IAT) coolant is a safer alternative if you don't mind replacing it every two years. A small price to pay. IAT will just about guarantee no rust.
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