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Old Sep 10, 2011 | 06:24 PM
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My 2001 Cherokee Sport smoked a belt because the AC compressor actually seized. Unplugged the compressor so the clutch doesn't engage and the new belt is quite.
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Old Sep 27, 2011 | 07:13 PM
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My A/C hasn't ever worked as far as i know, I currently have a voracious squeal that won't stop EVER, it doesn't even change with speed, new belt, still there. I'll mess with tensions later, I'll have to try the garden house trick
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Old Oct 16, 2011 | 12:04 PM
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@Bro Tech,Do we need to unplug the compressor wires to disable the A/C system? I thought that by just not switching the A/c to on will do the trick.
Just a clarification Bro.
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Old Oct 17, 2011 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellnback
@Bro Tech,Do we need to unplug the compressor wires to disable the A/C system? I thought that by just not switching the A/c to on will do the trick.
Just a clarification Bro.
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Yes. The compressor will run in the defrost positions if it's not disabled. This is to aid efficiency when trying to clear the windows. It does help, but is not necessary for the defrost to work...
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Old Oct 17, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lyon
Being the type of person I am, I am always trying to help people even if they don't ask for it. I try to help people eliminate problems before they arrise. I've spend many years doing maintenance so it just comes naturally.
It's not a point of "blowing" money to get the AC working, it's a point to spend the money on a part instead of a tow truck.
People tend to ask questions or state what their problem is in someone elses thread and we all try to help each other out. If you don't want to hear ideas on your problems, then don't contribute. Have a nice day.
You're too funny. Listen, I'll give you that you're right if we're doing everything by the book. But having owned a few beaters over the years, I've learned to prioritize the important things to fix. Any 10+ year old vehicle will have a collection of issues, I fix the ones that keep me going until a big one comes along and brings the ride to an end. I'll cob something if it buys me a little more time, especially if it's an extra like a/c. Having the newest parts in the junkyard accomplishes nothing when it's over.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 06:29 PM
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Thanks for the clarification XJ
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Old Nov 12, 2011 | 03:16 PM
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Great thread!

I read this entire thread because we are preparing for a 1000 mile trip over Thanksgiving. Having owned the beast for only a year I had no idea how old the belt was so I put on a new NAPA belt.

The new belt squealed like a penned porker until I tightened the belt to a level of tautness that I was not really comfortable with. A quick google search and this thread allayed my over tightening fears.

Thanks for the collective knowledge on this forum.

Snugger than usual is the answer to most of the questions.

Carry on.
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Old Dec 4, 2011 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Lyon
Serpentine belt problems usually result from one of three causes: a defective belt tensioner (or in our case improper tension); misalignment of a pulley; or, defective bearings in the tensioner, idler, or one of accessories driven by the belt (including the water pump).

Belt noise can be hard to isolate, as the sound may seem to be coming from an accessory drive, such as the alternator or air conditioning compressor. A noise that occurs only when the vehicle accelerates is likely to be a slipping belt, as is a noise that occurs only when the car is started cold. Chirping is caused when a pulley is misaligned, so that the belt ridges initially contact the sides of the sides of the grooves and then slide downward along the groove's sides as they seat in the pulley.

Do not apply "belt dressing" to a serpentine belt in an attempt to quiet a belt or cure slipping. Belt dressing is a gooey, tar-like substance designed to cure V belt slipping by making the belt sticky. At best, it is a temporary fix, even on a V belt. But, when applied to a serpentine belt, the dressing will be spread into the pulley grooves. Once there, it will attract and hold dirt and grit which is a definite if you go offroading. The dirt will start the belt slipping again and all of the dirt and belt dressing will have to be cleaned out of the pulley grooves before a new belt is installed.

Belt noises can be diagnosed with a spray bottle of water. With the engine running and the sound audible, lightly mist the grooved side of the belt with water. If the noise disappears or lessens, but then shortly returns, the problem is probably a misaligned pulley. If the noise immediately increases after the belt is misted, the belt is slipping.

Another trick is reversing the belt: take it off and put it back on so that it travels in what would have been its backward direction as originally installed. If the noise goes away or gets much softer, the problem is a misaligned pulley. This diagnostic works because flipping the belt changes the direction of the misalignment from the belt's perspective. If reversing the belt does not temporarily eliminate the noise, the problem is something other than misaligned pulleys.

Next, examine the belt itself. Glazing at the edges of a serpentine belt, or on its ridges or in the grooves, results from the belt slipping. It indicates that friction between the belt and the accessory drive pulley(s) created by slipping has overheated the belt.

Fraying at the edge of a belt indicates pulley misalignment. The edge frays because it is scraping on the top edge of an accessory drive pulley side as the belt feeds into it.

Fluid contamination attacks the rubber surface of the belt. All of the automotive fluids that can leak onto a belt--oil, power steering fluid, coolant--are petroleum based and will attack rubber. Once on the belt, any of these fluids will be distributed over the pulley groove surfaces, making them slippery and attracting dirt.
Great info Lyon! This thread has been really helpful!
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Old Dec 4, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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My 98 sat for years and made no noise till I put a/c on. Sounded like a grinding as opposed to a squeal. I sprayed a/c compressor clutch face where it appeared to have rusted a bit & noise went away & I got an immediate belt squeal from tensioner which I changed & now have no problems. Compressor was loud & actually helped hide bad tension pulley. When vehicle was running with no a/c or no defrost no noise. Seems that when a/c engages it added tension to pulley & exposed problem with tension pulley also.
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 08:48 PM
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mine was screaming likelots of yours was so i snugged it up till it stoped .Then this evening my idler fell off and fan got the belt was it to tight or bad pulley? Now im second guesing my self.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 06:06 PM
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 11:34 PM
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My belt squealed after I was messing with the power steering pump. I accidentally got some grease on the belt and the tensioner wasn't tight enough. Tightened it up and problem solved.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 06:31 AM
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I've been experiencing the squeeking/chirping belt noise as well. Based on all of the useful info in this thread and looking at a slightly frayed edge on the belt, my best guess is that it's a misaligned pulley. Now how to figure out which one???
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 10:07 AM
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I am not quite sure if they are mis aligned unless you notice some movement indications. how old is your belt? maybe its' just about time to replace them.squeaking belt usually is a loose belt. HTH
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 01:25 PM
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I had a similar issue after installing an upgraded alternator. Thought it might be alignment, worn idler pulley, etc. but it turned out to just be old-fashioned belt slippage.

Cleaned the belt thoroughly with a fingernail brush and some simple green, and tightened the **** out of it once it was dry and it was quiet as a mouse (and the belt was super old).

Put a brand new Gatorback on and it is even quieter. Really love those belts, though my ~5yr old Dayco was holding up just fine at the same time.
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