AW4 slips after fluid/filter change
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It's kinda like not wiping your butt today cause you're gonna take a crap tomorrow anyways..........
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Gotta agree with Trev1006. If switching to synthetic or doing a flush gives you leaks, that means you have built up sludge AND bad seals. I can't imagine why someone would want to keep running like that. Specifically regarding synthetic engine oil, unless you switch to fluid you've kept in the garage from 30 years ago, that shouldn't happen. Or you were running detergentless oil in the first place which is another problem with all the gunk built up. Saying that there's an inherent risk in trying to fix something that was ever cared for is no excuse to continue ignoring it.
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Originally Posted by CrawlnCoupe
yeah because some random douche on a forum knows more than my trans guy. glad you found the problem, but i would still avoid changing the fluid on a trans with that many miles
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random internet douche and his buddy that says its ok to swap out transmission oil whenever > my trans guy that rebuilds and services transmission 60 hours a week and knows them inside and out, and builds anything and everything in this area that goes fast.
ok, where all set here.
Gotta agree with Trev1006. If switching to synthetic or doing a flush gives you leaks, that means you have built up sludge AND bad seals. I can't imagine why someone would want to keep running like that. Specifically regarding synthetic engine oil, unless you switch to fluid you've kept in the garage from 30 years ago, that shouldn't happen. Or you were running detergentless oil in the first place which is another problem with all the gunk built up. Saying that there's an inherent risk in trying to fix something that was ever cared for is no excuse to continue ignoring it.
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im impressed..no really i am..let me switch my opinion on here
random internet douche and his buddy that says its ok to swap out transmission oil whenever > my trans guy that rebuilds and services transmission 60 hours a week and knows them inside and out, and builds anything and everything in this area that goes fast.
ok, where all set here.
random internet douche and his buddy that says its ok to swap out transmission oil whenever > my trans guy that rebuilds and services transmission 60 hours a week and knows them inside and out, and builds anything and everything in this area that goes fast.
ok, where all set here.
I hope you do something stupid and get banned.
And quit ****ing up another users thread.
Originally Posted by CrawlnCoupe
im impressed..no really i am..let me switch my opinion on here
random internet douche and his buddy that says its ok to swap out transmission oil whenever > my trans guy that rebuilds and services transmission 60 hours a week and knows them inside and out, and builds anything and everything in this area that goes fast.
ok, where all set here.
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this is a common thing with automatics according to my trans guy. he told me to only flush a trash if they have under 100k (roughly) on them otherwise you risk it slipping after. i asked him if it was a good idea on my cherokee (138k) and he said he wouldn't risk it.
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You guys a simple fluid and filter change ( this is what the op did) isn't even close to a flush job at any garage. You really need to get your fact straight on this stuff before you spit out an answer.Attachment 107124
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In engines, years ago I've seen them grossly junked up. Before the stronger detergent additives you might see something like a valve cover so full that there is only room for the rockers to move. The logic was that if you then switch to something with the "HD" on the label, (High Detergent), It could free up enough crud to cause more trouble then you would have just running regular oil. Was that in the 70"s?
I gather Tranny fluid now has a ton of detergent. One poster said he washes his hands with it! (before finishing with soap). We all know transmission shop managers stand at the top of the pinnacle of honesty and integrity. Maybe the truth lies in there somewhere. Maybe there was a time when you might be asking for trouble.
Below is a post I saved last year, at the bottom he mentions using Berrymans to clean out an AW4. Maybe something to try before giving up on one. ;
Try again - the AW4 is a 30-40LE with an extra clutch, built by Toyota, designed by Toyota, as used in the Celica, Supra, pickup, RWD van, and some RWD Lexus.
Just as the axles are shipped from Dana, the transmissions are shipped from Toyota - and the Toyota spec applies.
The BA-10 shipped from Peugeot, the AX-4, AX-5, and AX-15 all ship from Toyota (they're derivations of Toyota designs with different monikers - I believe the AX-15 is essentially a Toyota R150 light truck transmission.)
The early T4/T5 transmission (1984-1986 4-150 and V6-173) shipped from BorgWarner, and BorgWarner specs would apply in those cases (fortunately, they're just GL-3 gear oil to protect the bronze synchroniser rings, as in the AX-4/5/15. The BA-10 doesn't have a speck of yellow metal in it, which is why it can use GL-5. I know the FSM sez to use GL-5 in the AX-15 et al - this is one of those very limited cases where the FSM is itself wrong.)
I've heard of a TSB that sez the ATF +4 "Multi-Spec" can be used in the AW4, but reports from the field are mixed at best. Ergo, since Dexron is still available, use Dexron and save yourself the headache.
(TANGENT: Reports from the field on "power-flushing" the AW4 by forcing fresh fluid through it are mixed, but generally negative. If you suspect it's crudded up, the best method found to date is to buy a case of Dexron and 3-4 cans of B-12 "Chemtool" - dump in a can of Chemtool and change the fluid - hot! - in 1,000 miles. Repeat twice. This seems to be easier on the transmission and clutches than powerflushing.)
But, considering nearly every AW4 slushbox I've seen has had "Aisin Seiki" ID plates on it, I feel secure in saying it's a Toyota design as used...
I gather Tranny fluid now has a ton of detergent. One poster said he washes his hands with it! (before finishing with soap). We all know transmission shop managers stand at the top of the pinnacle of honesty and integrity. Maybe the truth lies in there somewhere. Maybe there was a time when you might be asking for trouble.
Below is a post I saved last year, at the bottom he mentions using Berrymans to clean out an AW4. Maybe something to try before giving up on one. ;
Try again - the AW4 is a 30-40LE with an extra clutch, built by Toyota, designed by Toyota, as used in the Celica, Supra, pickup, RWD van, and some RWD Lexus.
Just as the axles are shipped from Dana, the transmissions are shipped from Toyota - and the Toyota spec applies.
The BA-10 shipped from Peugeot, the AX-4, AX-5, and AX-15 all ship from Toyota (they're derivations of Toyota designs with different monikers - I believe the AX-15 is essentially a Toyota R150 light truck transmission.)
The early T4/T5 transmission (1984-1986 4-150 and V6-173) shipped from BorgWarner, and BorgWarner specs would apply in those cases (fortunately, they're just GL-3 gear oil to protect the bronze synchroniser rings, as in the AX-4/5/15. The BA-10 doesn't have a speck of yellow metal in it, which is why it can use GL-5. I know the FSM sez to use GL-5 in the AX-15 et al - this is one of those very limited cases where the FSM is itself wrong.)
I've heard of a TSB that sez the ATF +4 "Multi-Spec" can be used in the AW4, but reports from the field are mixed at best. Ergo, since Dexron is still available, use Dexron and save yourself the headache.
(TANGENT: Reports from the field on "power-flushing" the AW4 by forcing fresh fluid through it are mixed, but generally negative. If you suspect it's crudded up, the best method found to date is to buy a case of Dexron and 3-4 cans of B-12 "Chemtool" - dump in a can of Chemtool and change the fluid - hot! - in 1,000 miles. Repeat twice. This seems to be easier on the transmission and clutches than powerflushing.)
But, considering nearly every AW4 slushbox I've seen has had "Aisin Seiki" ID plates on it, I feel secure in saying it's a Toyota design as used...
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