Aw4.....atf or dex/mercon3
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From: Aberdeen, MD
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L HO I-6, 703 Injectors, Brown Dog Super Engine Mounts
of course Chrysler is going to say use ATF+4, it's their product so it's way cheaper for their dealerships to use.
Chrysler notoriously has a TERRIBLE reputation when it comes to fluid specifications being correct. I would not trust their service bulletin by any means. Stick with the fluid the manufacturer of the transmission (Aisin-Warner) specified - they designed it, they know what it needs.
Dexron/Mercon III...period...end of story.
And let this topic never come up again (yea right...i know...wishful thinking)
Chrysler notoriously has a TERRIBLE reputation when it comes to fluid specifications being correct. I would not trust their service bulletin by any means. Stick with the fluid the manufacturer of the transmission (Aisin-Warner) specified - they designed it, they know what it needs.
Dexron/Mercon III...period...end of story.
And let this topic never come up again (yea right...i know...wishful thinking)
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From: Lancaster PA
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Well where I work we give 2yr unlimited mileage warranty and the option for a 3yr 36,000 mile warranty WE stand behind our work. i dont know anything about the shop that did his or the warranty they gave. I can only speak from what I know and what we do. For example we just had a car come back today that we rebuilt back in 09 and the customer put 68,000 miles on OUR rebuild and the only reason it failed is because the radiator failed and filled the trans with coolant.
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By no means do I mean to stir the pot on this subject, nor do I want to bring up an old thread from the dead. But I have a quick question that is related to this subject.
Do you think there is a problem mixing ATF+4 with Dexron?
I accidentally topped off my transmission with about a quart of ATF+4 because the guy at autozone looked it up and said that was the right type (That idiot). That's besides the point though.
Should I be worried about that small amount of different fluid in the transmission?
Do you think there is a problem mixing ATF+4 with Dexron?
I accidentally topped off my transmission with about a quart of ATF+4 because the guy at autozone looked it up and said that was the right type (That idiot). That's besides the point though.
Should I be worried about that small amount of different fluid in the transmission?
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From: Northern Illinois
Year: 90
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Im a techician at a chrysler dealer. we have been putting ATF+4 in AW4s for along time and never had any issue with them here is a service bulletin released by chrysler.
Chrysler Service Bullentin 21-014-07
NUMBER:
Chrysler Service Bullentin 21-014-07
SUBJECT:
Automatic Transmission Fluid Usage ATF+4 (Type MS9602)
MODELS:
1989 - 1995 (AA) Spirit/Acclaim/Lebaron Sedan
1989 - 2003 (AB) Ram Van/Wagon
1989 - 1993 (AC) Dynasty/New Yorker/New Yorker Salon
1989 - 1993 (AD) Ram Truck
1989 - 1994 (AG) Daytona
1989 (AH) Lancer/Lebaron GTS
1989 - 1995 (AJ) Lebaron Coupe/Lebaron Convertible
1989 - 1990 (AK) Aries/Reliant
1989 - 1990 (AL) Horizon/Omni
1989 (AM) Diplomat/Gran Fury/New Yorker fifth Avenue
1989 - 2004 (AN) Dakota
1989 - 1994 (AP) Shadow/Sundance
1990 - 1991 (AQ) Maserati
1990 - 1993 (AY) Imperial/New Yorker Fifth Avenue
1994 - 2003 (BR/BE) Ram Truck
2004 - **2008** (CS) Pacifica
1998 - 2003 (DN) Durango
2002 - **2008** (DR/DH/D1) Ram Truck
2007 - **2008** (DC) Ram 3500 Cab Chassis
1995 - 2000 (FJ) Sebring/Avenger/Talon
1996 - 2000 (GS) Chrysler Voyager (International Market)
Automatic Transmission Fluid Usage ATF+4 (Type MS9602)
MODELS:
1989 - 1995 (AA) Spirit/Acclaim/Lebaron Sedan
1989 - 2003 (AB) Ram Van/Wagon
1989 - 1993 (AC) Dynasty/New Yorker/New Yorker Salon
1989 - 1993 (AD) Ram Truck
1989 - 1994 (AG) Daytona
1989 (AH) Lancer/Lebaron GTS
1989 - 1995 (AJ) Lebaron Coupe/Lebaron Convertible
1989 - 1990 (AK) Aries/Reliant
1989 - 1990 (AL) Horizon/Omni
1989 (AM) Diplomat/Gran Fury/New Yorker fifth Avenue
1989 - 2004 (AN) Dakota
1989 - 1994 (AP) Shadow/Sundance
1990 - 1991 (AQ) Maserati
1990 - 1993 (AY) Imperial/New Yorker Fifth Avenue
1994 - 2003 (BR/BE) Ram Truck
2004 - **2008** (CS) Pacifica
1998 - 2003 (DN) Durango
2002 - **2008** (DR/DH/D1) Ram Truck
2007 - **2008** (DC) Ram 3500 Cab Chassis
1995 - 2000 (FJ) Sebring/Avenger/Talon
1996 - 2000 (GS) Chrysler Voyager (International Market)
NUMBER:
21-014-07
GROUP:
Transmission
DATE:
October 16, 2007
2004 - **2008** (HB) Durango
**2008 (HG) Aspen**
**2008 (HG) Aspen**
1995 - 2000 (JA) Cirrus/Stratus/Breeze
2007 - **2008** (JK) Wrangler
2001- 2006 (JR) Sebring Sedan & Convertible/Stratus Sedan
2007 - **2008** (JS) Avenger/Sebring/Serbring Convertible
1996 - 2000 (JX) Sebring Convertible
**2007 - 2008 (KA) Nitro**
2002 - 2007 (KJ) Liberty
**2008 (KK) Liberty**
**2008 (L2) 300C (China)**
1993 - 2004 (LH) Concorde/Intrepid/Vision/LHS/New Yorker
/300M
2005 - **2008** (LX/LE) 300/Magnum/Charger
2005 - **2008** (ND) Dakota
1996 - 2000 (NS) Town & Country/Caravan/Voyager
1995 - 2005 (PL) Neon
2002 - 2003 (PG) PT Cruiser (International Markets)
2001 - **2008** (PT) PT Cruiser
1997 - 2002 (PR) Prowler
2001 - 2007 (RG) Chrysler Voyager (International Markets)
2001 - 2007 (RS) Town & Country/Caravan/Voyager
**2008 (RT) Town & Country/Grand Caravan/Grand Voyager
(U.S. & International Markets)**
1997 - 2006 (TJ) Wrangler
2001 - 2004 (WG) Grand Cherokee (International Markets)
Vehicles equipped with Gas engines
1999 - 2004 (WJ) Grand Cherokee
2005 - **2008** (WK/WH) Grand Cherokee
2006 - **2008** (XK/XH) Commander
1989 - 1995 (YJ) Wrangler
**1989 - 2001 (XJ) Cherokee**
**1989 - 1993 (MJ) Comanche**
1996 - 1998 (ZG) Grand Cherokee (International Markets)
1994 - 1998 (ZJ) Grand Cherokee/Grand Wagoneer
NOTE: **AW-4 (Asian Warner) transmissions are now included in this Service
Bulletin. ATF+4® is recommended for AW-4 (Asian Warner) transmissions**
21-014-07 -2-
NOTE: This Service Bulletin DOES NOT apply to the following transmissions:
•
2007 - **2008** (JK) Wrangler
2001- 2006 (JR) Sebring Sedan & Convertible/Stratus Sedan
2007 - **2008** (JS) Avenger/Sebring/Serbring Convertible
1996 - 2000 (JX) Sebring Convertible
**2007 - 2008 (KA) Nitro**
2002 - 2007 (KJ) Liberty
**2008 (KK) Liberty**
**2008 (L2) 300C (China)**
1993 - 2004 (LH) Concorde/Intrepid/Vision/LHS/New Yorker
/300M
2005 - **2008** (LX/LE) 300/Magnum/Charger
2005 - **2008** (ND) Dakota
1996 - 2000 (NS) Town & Country/Caravan/Voyager
1995 - 2005 (PL) Neon
2002 - 2003 (PG) PT Cruiser (International Markets)
2001 - **2008** (PT) PT Cruiser
1997 - 2002 (PR) Prowler
2001 - 2007 (RG) Chrysler Voyager (International Markets)
2001 - 2007 (RS) Town & Country/Caravan/Voyager
**2008 (RT) Town & Country/Grand Caravan/Grand Voyager
(U.S. & International Markets)**
1997 - 2006 (TJ) Wrangler
2001 - 2004 (WG) Grand Cherokee (International Markets)
Vehicles equipped with Gas engines
1999 - 2004 (WJ) Grand Cherokee
2005 - **2008** (WK/WH) Grand Cherokee
2006 - **2008** (XK/XH) Commander
1989 - 1995 (YJ) Wrangler
**1989 - 2001 (XJ) Cherokee**
**1989 - 1993 (MJ) Comanche**
1996 - 1998 (ZG) Grand Cherokee (International Markets)
1994 - 1998 (ZJ) Grand Cherokee/Grand Wagoneer
NOTE: **AW-4 (Asian Warner) transmissions are now included in this Service
Bulletin. ATF+4® is recommended for AW-4 (Asian Warner) transmissions**
21-014-07 -2-
NOTE: This Service Bulletin DOES NOT apply to the following transmissions:
•
Sprinter transmissions
•
Crossfire transmissions
•
MK/PM vehicles equipped with Continuously Variable Transmission
(CVT)
•
•
WG vehicles equipped with a diesel engine (sales code ENF) and a
W5J400 or NAG1 transmission (sales code DGJ)
•
•
**ALL vehicles equipped with a AS68RC Transmission (sales code
DG3)**
•
•
**ALL vehicles equipped with a GENTRAG MPS6 Transmission (sales
code DG5)**
DISCUSSION:
DISCUSSION:
ATF+4® - (Type 9602) is being used as factory fill for Chrysler Group automatic
transmissions. ATF+4® is recommended for all vehicles equipped with Chrysler
Group automatic transmissions EXCEPT FOR THOSE LISTED IN THE NOTE ABOVE.
NOTE: ATF+4® must always be used in vehicles that were originally filled with
ATF+4®. DO NOT USE ANY OTHER FLUID.
NOTE: ATF+4® is backward compatible with ATF+3 , ATF+2, and ATF+. Additionally,
ATF+4® can be used to top off vehicles that used ATF+3, ATF+2, or ATF+.
NOTE: If ATF+4® is used to service models originally filled with ATF+3 , ATF+2, and
ATF+ the fluid maintenance schedules listed for that model does not change.
The service interval currently in effect for a given model should continue to
be followed. Refer to the Service or Owners manual for maintenance
schedule directions.
In general terms, If ATF+, ATF+2 or ATF+3 was the recommended fluid, it is now
recommended to use ATF+4®
BENEFITS
•Better anti-wear properties
•Improved rust/corrosion prevention
•Controls oxidation
•Eliminates deposits
•Controls friction
•Retains anti-foaming properties
•Superior properties for low temperature operation
FLUID COLOR
Mopar ATF+4® has exceptional durability. However, the red dye used in ATF+4® is not
permanent; as the fluid ages it may become darker or appear brown in color. ATF+4® also
has a unique odor that may change with age. With ATF+4® fluid, color and odor are no
longer indicators of fluid condition and do not necessarily support a fluid change.
-3- 21-014-07
PARTS REQUIRED:
Qty. Part No. Description
AR 05013457AA Fluid, Transmission, ATF+4® (Type 9602), Quart
AR 05013458AA Fluid, Transmission, ATF+4® (Type 9602), Gallon
POLICY:
transmissions. ATF+4® is recommended for all vehicles equipped with Chrysler
Group automatic transmissions EXCEPT FOR THOSE LISTED IN THE NOTE ABOVE.
NOTE: ATF+4® must always be used in vehicles that were originally filled with
ATF+4®. DO NOT USE ANY OTHER FLUID.
NOTE: ATF+4® is backward compatible with ATF+3 , ATF+2, and ATF+. Additionally,
ATF+4® can be used to top off vehicles that used ATF+3, ATF+2, or ATF+.
NOTE: If ATF+4® is used to service models originally filled with ATF+3 , ATF+2, and
ATF+ the fluid maintenance schedules listed for that model does not change.
The service interval currently in effect for a given model should continue to
be followed. Refer to the Service or Owners manual for maintenance
schedule directions.
In general terms, If ATF+, ATF+2 or ATF+3 was the recommended fluid, it is now
recommended to use ATF+4®
BENEFITS
•Better anti-wear properties
•Improved rust/corrosion prevention
•Controls oxidation
•Eliminates deposits
•Controls friction
•Retains anti-foaming properties
•Superior properties for low temperature operation
FLUID COLOR
Mopar ATF+4® has exceptional durability. However, the red dye used in ATF+4® is not
permanent; as the fluid ages it may become darker or appear brown in color. ATF+4® also
has a unique odor that may change with age. With ATF+4® fluid, color and odor are no
longer indicators of fluid condition and do not necessarily support a fluid change.
-3- 21-014-07
PARTS REQUIRED:
Qty. Part No. Description
AR 05013457AA Fluid, Transmission, ATF+4® (Type 9602), Quart
AR 05013458AA Fluid, Transmission, ATF+4® (Type 9602), Gallon
POLICY:
Information Only
Since you would like to hang your hat on this piece of paper...Answer me a simple question.
Why for nearly 20 years did Chrysler recommend a different fluid for the AW-4.. suddenly changing that recommendation as the last few thousand were reaching the end of their warranty periods??
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From: Aberdeen, MD
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L HO I-6, 703 Injectors, Brown Dog Super Engine Mounts
pssssst...
Because Chrysler owns the rights to ATF+4 and it costs less for them to use it
Just like they told me to put ****ing motor oil in my 5 speed transmission. NAAAAY I SAY! NAAAAAY!
Because Chrysler owns the rights to ATF+4 and it costs less for them to use it
Just like they told me to put ****ing motor oil in my 5 speed transmission. NAAAAY I SAY! NAAAAAY!