Shackle Relocation Brackets
06-12-2011, 12:48 AM
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oh wow who really cares. and the design of the HDoffroad one isn't better by any means. honestly think about what your shackle was originally mounted to. the RC on mounts on the inside of the box and uses the structure and strength of the box with a bolt though the shackle mount hole and two more up front. The exact fit of it add to its strength. the HDoff-road one mounts on the outside and makes you modify the original shackle box thereby weakening the original and therefore not combining the strength of the old with the new. that is why they have frame tie in brackets. They also highly recommend that you weld it.
And RC did not copy it in anyway. They had an idea and the built it. If they would have copied it then there would be a lawsuit against them and well I don't think there is.
And RC did not copy it in anyway. They had an idea and the built it. If they would have copied it then there would be a lawsuit against them and well I don't think there is.
06-12-2011, 12:54 AM
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06-12-2011, 01:01 AM
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oh wow who really cares. and the design of the HDoffroad one isn't better by any means. honestly think about what your shackle was originally mounted to. the RC on mounts on the inside of the box and uses the structure and strength of the box with a bolt though the shackle mount hole and two more up front. The exact fit of it add to its strength. the HDoff-road one mounts on the outside and makes you modify the original shackle box thereby weakening the original and therefore not combining the strength of the old with the new. that is why they have frame tie in brackets. They also highly recommend that you weld it.
And RC did not copy it in anyway. They had an idea and the built it. If they would have copied it then there would be a lawsuit against them and well I don't think there is.
And RC did not copy it in anyway. They had an idea and the built it. If they would have copied it then there would be a lawsuit against them and well I don't think there is.
06-12-2011, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 1tonxj
Yes but with new shackle set up you add more leverage to the existing box with lower mount ...that's why hd adds lateral bracing , and the trimming of the stock shackle box is minimal and hardly weakens the box , And unless HD has a patent on the design it can be copied without lawsuit, But I don't really care I can easily see what of the 2 are stronger ...both are good ,ut 1 is certainly stronger ,and it's not RC 's in stock form...but obviously it would be little effort to brace it , and if HD is recomending welding don't you think since RC's is almost identical that you would probably do well to weld it also ,but they just don't mention it ?
06-12-2011, 01:36 PM
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After mounting the rc one I don't feel welding it would accomplish much. It is very solid. I don't know how the hd one is though. And I don't think the bracing is the same cause rc's has no place to go because its mounted on the inside and has a crush sleeve welded on. Where the hd one is the opposite and I would be more concerned with welding it to the shackle box.
they both hang off the ...stock...shackle box for base mounting ,and it's that mounting point that can bend since it's not that strong to begin with ,and now you have extra leverage from extended mount hanging down , so makes little difference if inside or out mounting , And it also depends on how hard you really use the jeep .
06-12-2011, 03:31 PM
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they both hang off the ...stock...shackle box for base mounting ,and it's that mounting point that can bend since it's not that strong to begin with ,and now you have extra leverage from extended mount hanging down , so makes little difference if inside or out mounting , And it also depends on how hard you really use the jeep .
06-12-2011, 09:30 PM
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Not quite sure where you get the idea that the stock shackle box isn't that strong. its been strong enough for wheeling for anyone else. the only thing that would weaken it is cutting into it. every bend in the box is there for strength purposes. kinda the same reason that a pickup bed isn't flat but has the ripples. if you take the ripples out then the bed will fold. and you don't have extra leverage from the extended mount. i'm not sure what theory you figured for this one. all you are doing is moving the mount farther down and by using a solid block inside you are preventing movement that would cause your so called extra leverage.
I've seen plenty stock shackle box ripped off and bent ...like I said it's all in how hard you really use it , And by dropping the mount you add to the leverage the spring/shackle puts on that box the most being side loads infact just adding long shackles increaes this leverage ... I'm no high end fab man ,but the shop that welded on my hd offroad boxes sure did feel that dropping this mount required bracing for lateral loads on it ,but then again they are only expert fab workers , so you would know better than a master fabricator ?
Now this be my last post since this is a vendors section ,and our difference in opinion is kind of off topic ...And know I'll leave you with on last zinger ...leafs are for suckers...lol.
06-12-2011, 09:39 PM
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And know I'll leave you with on last zinger ...leafs are for suckers...lol.
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How hard you use and how hard you abuse are two different topics. obviously if you abuse something enough then it will fail.
As for your springs I guess if that makes you feel better about spending the money on that mod but I've been able to go where ever i want with my leafs so why would I replace something that doesn't need to be. that would be a waste of money in my book.
And yes this in the vendor section. and in case you didn't read its for the RC SHACKLE RELOCATION BRACKET, not one for oh man I paid 135 for my hd off road one and then I had to get it welded and then paint it when I could have paid 120 for one that didn't need welded and had a stronger structural design and is powder coated.
So here is the idea man, if you come into the vendor section then don't try to bag on the product cause it only makes you look like a Douchebag. If you want to argue between RC and HD then go start a thread in the Tech section and do it there.
As for your springs I guess if that makes you feel better about spending the money on that mod but I've been able to go where ever i want with my leafs so why would I replace something that doesn't need to be. that would be a waste of money in my book.
And yes this in the vendor section. and in case you didn't read its for the RC SHACKLE RELOCATION BRACKET, not one for oh man I paid 135 for my hd off road one and then I had to get it welded and then paint it when I could have paid 120 for one that didn't need welded and had a stronger structural design and is powder coated.
So here is the idea man, if you come into the vendor section then don't try to bag on the product cause it only makes you look like a Douchebag. If you want to argue between RC and HD then go start a thread in the Tech section and do it there.
06-12-2011, 10:37 PM
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How hard you use and how hard you abuse are two different topics. obviously if you abuse something enough then it will fail.
As for your springs I guess if that makes you feel better about spending the money on that mod but I've been able to go where ever i want with my leafs so why would I replace something that doesn't need to be. that would be a waste of money in my book.
And yes this in the vendor section. and in case you didn't read its for the RC SHACKLE RELOCATION BRACKET, not one for oh man I paid 135 for my hd off road one and then I had to get it welded and then paint it when I could have paid 120 for one that didn't need welded and had a stronger structural design and is powder coated.
So here is the idea man, if you come into the vendor section then don't try to bag on the product cause it only makes you look like a Douchebag. If you want to argue between RC and HD then go start a thread in the Tech section and do it there.
As for your springs I guess if that makes you feel better about spending the money on that mod but I've been able to go where ever i want with my leafs so why would I replace something that doesn't need to be. that would be a waste of money in my book.
And yes this in the vendor section. and in case you didn't read its for the RC SHACKLE RELOCATION BRACKET, not one for oh man I paid 135 for my hd off road one and then I had to get it welded and then paint it when I could have paid 120 for one that didn't need welded and had a stronger structural design and is powder coated.
So here is the idea man, if you come into the vendor section then don't try to bag on the product cause it only makes you look like a Douchebag. If you want to argue between RC and HD then go start a thread in the Tech section and do it there.
You just can't bail out with grace can you ...lol
