Brake lights stuck on
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Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
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If it was working in the past, then there was a switch somewhere. It could have been something fabricated not by the factory. The brake is a lever. The switch would be engaged and unengaged by it's position. It would have to be mechanical and in contact with the metal ever somewhere not exactly at the pivot. I hope that this information helps and makes some sort of sense.
Here are some more photos.
Behind the pedal ... nothing discernable. Reaching and feeling around, there's nothing there.
Wires coming in from the firewall. You may think that the ones hanging down have something to do with it, but they don't.
I've followed them out to the engine area a long time ago, they've been disconnected for years.
more wires ...
Hmmm ...
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Year: 1992
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L L6 PowerTech (stock)
If you can find another 2001 at your local junk yard, then pull the brake switch and the wires as far backward as you can. Cut as much length as you can. That would be your ticket at this point.
That light blue wire with the tag on it reading "Electric Brake" is for an optional factory/dealer installed trailer harness. That light blue wire is not your issue, atleast it shouldnt be. I have that same wire and it is not connected to anything, and my brake lights work properly. The missing wiring for the brake switch on the pedal is the issue, and its wiring. You say the brake lights DID work, so there must be a work around hidden somewhere that has yet to be found. I dont even see an old style brake switch on the pedal.
This is the circuit for the brake lights and missing switch.
This is the circuit for the brake lights and missing switch.
Last edited by fb97xj1; Apr 7, 2019 at 11:04 AM.
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That light blue wire with the tag on it reading "Electric Brake" is for an optional factory/dealer installed trailer harness. That light blue wire is not your issue, atleast it shouldnt be. I have that same wire and it is not connected to anything, and my brake lights work properly. The missing wiring for the brake switch on the pedal is the issue, and its wiring. You say the brake lights DID work, so there must be a work around hidden somewhere that has yet to be found. I dont even see an old style brake switch on the pedal.
This is the circuit for the brake lights and missing switch.

This is the circuit for the brake lights and missing switch.

This seems and sounds kind of hopeful, but I have no idea how to really read this diagram, though I am thankful for it. I'm still not sure what wires I am looking for. If I am understanding WT/TN and PK/DB correctly, this means the wires are White/Tan, Pink/DarkBlue? Is that what I should be looking for?
This seems and sounds kind of hopeful, but I have no idea how to really read this diagram, though I am thankful for it. I'm still not sure what wires I am looking for. If I am understanding WT/TN and PK/DB correctly, this means the wires are White/Tan, Pink/DarkBlue? Is that what I should be looking for?
Last edited by fb97xj1; Apr 7, 2019 at 11:36 AM.
I'm thinking maybe that blackbox and aftermarket wiring mess in the picture above is a trailer e-brake controller? Do any of the wires through the firewall go to a switch or sensor tee'd off one of the brake lines near the master cylinder by chance? Some aftermarket e-brake setups use a pressure sensor in the existing hydraulic line to determine how hard to apply the trailer brakes, and sometimes they also use that to control the brake lights. If you still have the dash apart, do you see the white/tan-stripe wire going to the controller or the small black square relay. If you do, try unplugging the controller and the relay it and see if the brake lights go out.
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I'm thinking maybe that blackbox and aftermarket wiring mess in the picture above is a trailer e-brake controller? Do any of the wires through the firewall go to a switch or sensor tee'd off one of the brake lines near the master cylinder by chance? Some aftermarket e-brake setups use a pressure sensor in the existing hydraulic line to determine how hard to apply the trailer brakes, and sometimes they also use that to control the brake lights. If you still have the dash apart, do you see the white/tan-stripe wire going to the controller or the small black square relay. If you do, try unplugging the controller and the relay it and see if the brake lights go out.
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Maybe try having a look at your brake lines in the engine bay for anything with wires coming from it. Some older braking systems (not factory for XJ's) use a pressure switch which uses brake fluid pressure to activate the brake lights. If the system has been modified by someone in the past and you have absolutely no sign of a switch by the pedal, maybe this has been done.
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Maybe try having a look at your brake lines in the engine bay for anything with wires coming from it. Some older braking systems (not factory for XJ's) use a pressure switch which uses brake fluid pressure to activate the brake lights. If the system has been modified by someone in the past and you have absolutely no sign of a switch by the pedal, maybe this has been done.
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A bit stuck on where to go from here. I am going to the junkyard tomorrow to see if I can find this harness I am apparently missing, after that, not sure. See about making splices? The alarm system I am not too sure about, and am afraid I might short a lot of other things by disconnecting it, unless someone's done that before with no problem.
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On that '01 its not an old school traditional brakelight switch. Its a small box with a plunger sticking out of it. It doesnt mount to the pedal itself, but snaps into a square hole in a bracket on the support.
As mentioned above, it very likely popped out of the bracket, this tends to happen if the plunger gets stuck.
As mentioned above, it very likely popped out of the bracket, this tends to happen if the plunger gets stuck.
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Results from today's junkyard expedition. This is definitely nowhere to be seen in my Jeep, and the way the wires are together, there's no way it could have fallen behind anywhere.






