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Old Jul 19, 2017 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch
Aren't you suppose to not tow in neutral for that exact reason
Again, depends on the trans and the transfer case. Always check the owner's manual
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Old Jul 19, 2017 | 10:04 PM
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Temporarily retired the '99 XJ for the ’96 ZJ. Need monies for the XJ to continue, hoping to start the build process in the next couple months.
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Old Jul 20, 2017 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch
Aren't you suppose to not tow in neutral for that exact reason
Kind of. It's related to the pump. In most transmissions it's driven by the front half, ie the input shaft. Even with the transfer case in neutral, there's still rotation from hydraulic action. This causes the transmission rear half to turn without any oil pressure. No bueno. AX15 doesn't have a pump but has the same issues. It relies on splash lubrication from the countershaft. In neutral, the output shaft spin can spin, but won't get any oil from down below.

NP231 doesn't have this issue as the pump is driven off the main output shaft. With transfer case in Neutral and transmission in Park (or a gear), there's no movement in the transmission, and all moving parts in the NP231/NP242 are oiled.
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Old Jul 20, 2017 | 09:15 AM
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Wow, I missed the comfort and power of the ZJ...I think I need to adjust my TV cable though. Other than that, smooth sailing on the XJ to ZJ transition.
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Old Jul 20, 2017 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by salad
NP231 doesn't have this issue as the pump is driven off the main output shaft. With transfer case in Neutral and transmission in Park (or a gear), there's no movement in the transmission, and all moving parts in the NP231/NP242 are oiled.
Never thought about transfer cases needing this too...interesting!
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Old Jul 20, 2017 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by salad
NP231 doesn't have this issue as the pump is driven off the main output shaft. With transfer case in Neutral and transmission in Park (or a gear), there's no movement in the transmission, and all moving parts in the NP231/NP242 are oiled.
But there are different versions of the NP231. I'm not sure of the proper towing config for an XJ.

My '93 YJ does not have true Neutral on the transfer case. The N position disconnects the TC from the transmission, but it leaves the driveshafts tied together. If you use a tow dolly with a YJ and you don't remove the rear driveshaft, you're gonna have a bad time.

TJs (not sure if all, or just late model) have a true Neutral on the NP231 that allows the driveshafts to spin independently of one another. Tow dollies are okay for those, and you don't have to disconnect anything.

Again, I'm not sure where XJs stand
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Old Jul 20, 2017 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
But there are different versions of the NP231. I'm not sure of the proper towing config for an XJ.

My '93 YJ does not have true Neutral on the transfer case. The N position disconnects the TC from the transmission, but it leaves the driveshafts tied together. If you use a tow dolly with a YJ and you don't remove the rear driveshaft, you're gonna have a bad time.

TJs (not sure if all, or just late model) have a true Neutral on the NP231 that allows the driveshafts to spin independently of one another. Tow dollies are okay for those, and you don't have to disconnect anything.

Again, I'm not sure where XJs stand
Interesting. According to Novak, that's a "feature" that went along with the vacuum actuated system. So in XJs, as long as it's 1992 or newer there shouldn't be an issue... of course who knows what's been swapped in.
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Old Jul 22, 2017 | 11:19 AM
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Well I cut my bumper caps to accommodate the tow hooks. I had a couple different tow hooks and eyelets but am going to stick with the factory ones with the big base. They are soaking in Evapo-Rust so I can POR 15 them. Also got my rear spoiler back on. See how long it stays on this time. If the double sided tape lets loose again I guess I will just have to drill next time and bolt it in. Now trying to figure out what I should do next to not waste what is left of a nice, but hot, day.
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Old Jul 22, 2017 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralph77
Well I cut my bumper caps to accommodate the tow hooks. I had a couple different tow hooks and eyelets but am going to stick with the factory ones with the big base. They are soaking in Evapo-Rust so I can POR 15 them. Also got my rear spoiler back on. See how long it stays on this time. If the double sided tape lets loose again I guess I will just have to drill next time and bolt it in. Now trying to figure out what I should do next to not waste what is left of a nice, but hot, day.
Best way to get double sided tape to stick is to clean both surfaces with soapy water, rinse, let dry, and then wow both surfaces down with denatured alcohol.
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Old Jul 22, 2017 | 06:45 PM
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Wheeled it at Hidden Falls, had a ton of fun.




Aaaaand then the water pump gave out on the drive home. Ugh.
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Old Jul 22, 2017 | 07:08 PM
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I changed out all my dash lights, the light/dimmer switch, all my fuses, then I read up on wiring and looked up as to why I don't have dash lights and what I am supposed to do when my new stereo doesn't have illumination or dimmer cables.
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Old Jul 22, 2017 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedWrench
Wheeled it at Hidden Falls, had a ton of fun.




Aaaaand then the water pump gave out on the drive home. Ugh.
Looks like fun man! Well... minus the water pump part... that blows.

Originally Posted by Bryar Creaser
I changed out all my dash lights, the light/dimmer switch, all my fuses, then I read up on wiring and looked up as to why I don't have dash lights and what I am supposed to do when my new stereo doesn't have illumination or dimmer cables.
Soooo..... did you get it all finished man?
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Old Jul 22, 2017 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Basslicks
Looks like fun man! Well... minus the water pump part... that blows.
It was, really cool. Badger did great, got through some spots I had my doubts about!

Lol, but apparently 281 was just asking too much of her...
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Old Jul 22, 2017 | 08:22 PM
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HAHA! Yeah, that's a bit much!
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Old Jul 23, 2017 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Basslicks
Best way to get double sided tape to stick is to clean both surfaces with soapy water, rinse, let dry, and then wow both surfaces down with denatured alcohol.
I cleaned both the hatch and the spoiler. Let it dry. Used 3M 08984 General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner, then 3M 06396 Automotive Adhesion Promoter on both the hatch and the spoiler. Then 3M 03614 Super Strength Molding Tape on the spoiler. Time will tell.
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