Modified XJ Cherokee Tech XJ (84-01)
All modified tech questions. If it modifies your XJ beyond stock parts ask it here.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Turbo Cherokee?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-25-2013, 12:49 PM
  #1  
CF Veteran
Thread Starter
 
austinjoe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Northern MN
Posts: 2,433
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: Renix 4.0
Default Turbo Cherokee?

I know, I know, another turbo thread. I was walking back from class today and started thinking about how much stuff would actually go into it for an engineering project. The biggest thing I'm looking at is cost, I need to know if I can afford it or not.

Here's what I know goes into it, please fill in the blanks.

Turbo (T4?)
Manifold
Ducting
Wastegate
Oil Lines
Electronics

What happens to all of the vacuum controlled stuff? Will the HVAC still work?

Thanks in advance
Old 10-25-2013, 01:09 PM
  #2  
CF Veteran
Thread Starter
 
austinjoe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Northern MN
Posts: 2,433
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: Renix 4.0
Default

This would all be on a renix
Old 10-25-2013, 02:22 PM
  #3  
CF Veteran
 
CobraMarty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: PA KOTUFU!
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Year: 1998
Engine: 4.0L 162,000
Default

All the vacuum stuff must still see vacuum and no boost (HVAC, brake booster, fuel tank purge, CCV). Except the MAP sensor, the IAT sensor, vac/boost gauge, and FIC or FTC for fuel and timing control, they can all see boost. That is a problem with turbo and 'blow thru' the TB, where do you find vacuum only with no boost.

If you allow boost/positive pressure to go to HVAC- you lose controls when under boost like defrost, brake booster- lose function when under boost, fuel tank purge- pressurize your fuel tank when under boost, CCV- pressurize engine when under boost.
Old 10-25-2013, 04:57 PM
  #4  
Herp Derp Jerp
 
salad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Parham, ON
Posts: 18,251
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 11 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L OBD-II
Default

See inside for a turbocharged 4.0 build thread: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1031285
Old 10-25-2013, 06:48 PM
  #5  
CF Veteran
Thread Starter
 
austinjoe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Northern MN
Posts: 2,433
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: Renix 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by CobraMarty
All the vacuum stuff must still see vacuum and no boost (HVAC, brake booster, fuel tank purge, CCV). Except the MAP sensor, the IAT sensor, vac/boost gauge, and FIC or FTC for fuel and timing control, they can all see boost. That is a problem with turbo and 'blow thru' the TB, where do you find vacuum only with no boost.

If you allow boost/positive pressure to go to HVAC- you lose controls when under boost like defrost, brake booster- lose function when under boost, fuel tank purge- pressurize your fuel tank when under boost, CCV- pressurize engine when under boost.
What did you guys do for the two S/Ced jeeps?

And how necessary is an intercooler for a system running at 4psi? I suppose the same question for the stock tune also.
Old 10-25-2013, 07:05 PM
  #6  
CF Veteran
Thread Starter
 
austinjoe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Northern MN
Posts: 2,433
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: Renix 4.0
Default

I looked up some of the bigger parts and it's looking like this would cost around $1000 if I were to go with a godspeed t3/t4 off of fleabay. I know you get what you pay for but for wanting to run only 4psi how big of a deal could it be?
Old 10-25-2013, 08:11 PM
  #7  
CF Veteran
 
CobraMarty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: PA KOTUFU!
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Year: 1998
Engine: 4.0L 162,000
Default

We are able to plumb them under the TB but before the SC.

No intercooler needed at 4 pounds boost, as long as your IATs stay under 200 degrees.
Old 10-25-2013, 09:12 PM
  #8  
CF Veteran
Thread Starter
 
austinjoe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Northern MN
Posts: 2,433
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: Renix 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by CobraMarty
We are able to plumb them under the TB but before the SC.
Ok, so I could do the same with a turbo, right? Plumb them in the intake ducting before the turbo?

If I don't end up doing this for a project, I may still do it when I get out of school. It seems simple enough
Old 10-26-2013, 05:29 AM
  #9  
CF Veteran
 
CobraMarty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: PA KOTUFU!
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Year: 1998
Engine: 4.0L 162,000
Default

There won't be sufficient vacuum there to work the accessories. The vacuum is created after the TB. Maybe an electric vacuum pump would work?
Old 10-26-2013, 05:59 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
RubberSideUp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 600
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Model: Cherokee
Default

If you have to ask if you can afford it you probably can't.
Old 10-26-2013, 10:08 AM
  #11  
CF Veteran
Thread Starter
 
austinjoe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Northern MN
Posts: 2,433
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: Renix 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by CobraMarty
There won't be sufficient vacuum there to work the accessories. The vacuum is created after the TB. Maybe an electric vacuum pump would work?
I had that thought too. As a school project it would definitely have it's challenges.


Originally Posted by RubberSideUp
If you have to ask if you can afford it you probably can't.
Or I like to know every little detail about any project Before I jump into it
Old 10-29-2013, 01:41 PM
  #12  
Junior Member
 
PseudoSport's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hanover, MA
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L Turbo
Default

Normally for vacuum stuff like the brake booster and vacuum canisters there are check valves inline. There is low manifold vacuum at WOT on an N/A engine anyway so usually there is already something in place.
Old 10-29-2013, 04:08 PM
  #13  
Herp Derp Jerp
 
salad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Parham, ON
Posts: 18,251
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 11 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L OBD-II
Default

Originally Posted by PseudoSport
Normally for vacuum stuff like the brake booster and vacuum canisters there are check valves inline. There is low manifold vacuum at WOT on an N/A engine anyway so usually there is already something in place.
XJs just have a reservoir hiding in the front bumper. No check valves.

For some reason I thought that vacuum system and CCV stuff was just plumbed to right before the turbo
Old 10-30-2013, 07:30 AM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
RubberSideUp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 600
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Model: Cherokee
Default

"Or I like to know every little detail about any project Before I jump into it" It'll still throw you a surprise here and there. Which is half the fun.
Old 10-30-2013, 08:45 AM
  #15  
CF Veteran
 
Gee oh Dee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 21,168
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Year: 1987
Engine: Check
Default

Originally Posted by RubberSideUp
"Or I like to know every little detail about any project Before I jump into it" It'll still throw you a surprise here and there. Which is half the fun.
Thanks for the incredibly enlightening posts.


Quick Reply: Turbo Cherokee?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:51 AM.