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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Aljay
What A/R housing ? What wheel ? There are a few "50 trim" turbos ! I had a 90 talon GST and an 89 eclipse GSX ! Both cars were modded alittle ! Thinking about another but all I find are gutted race cars I want a daily driver with creature features .
I was looking at a SBR 50 trim if I remember correctly.

I had a 93 GSX with a worked over 16g running 31lbs max boost. MLS headgasket, arp studs, HUGE front mount (3'x2'x3" thick) wally 255 pump, and 800something cc injectors with an ACT2600 clutch.

But that was years ago.

Do some research and look at the flow charts. That'd be the best way to put together the ideal turbo.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 12:49 PM
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Not this again



A turbo isn't noticeable till it spools, so one the trails it doesn't matter,
Now here's the problems with a turbo
1 Mounting, Via the manifold or moving it.
2 Piping its a pain in the ***. Using a Boostwerks manifold makes it simple but is bank! Modding a renix manifold is easier.
3 Fuel management, You have it easy you can run a FMU or a fuel pressure regulator but you need to make sure your fuel pump is up to it or upgrade (This applies to the Super aswell) But if you with a mega squirt it is also doable.
4 Supers are easy to setup and build boost early but can be expensive. Just like Tuning a turbo.


Now here are some helpful links
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1099041
Names seems familiar I don't know why?
http://www.boostwerks.com/products/4-0l-turbo-manifold
Turbo manifold
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1098855
Good build up for info
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1094822\
Another good build
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1031285 On of the best

I am using a Cummins HX35, Modifying a Renix fuel rail and will be using some 38 lb injectors with a regulator.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Gee oh Dee
If a 4G63T 2.0 4cyl can spool a 50 trim to 20+ lbs of boost by 2500 rpm a Jeep 4.0 will spool a turbo real fast.
I think you're mistaken. I used to own a ralliart, and I've been on the evo boards for a long time and not once have I heard of a 4g63T building 20+ PSI at 2500. They don't start to build any decent pressure until around 4000 RPM at the least, and at the top end 22-24 PSI is common MAX. But that's besides the point.

All anyone can do is give details of what THEY would do if they were in your shoes, building a boosted 4.0L. experiment and build what you want to build, turbo or SC. it's ultimately your call

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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 01:55 PM
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You people are speaking spanish now. Hell just toss out the 4.0 and throw a rotary in there? Hell why not.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by xj_maniac_newb
You people are speaking spanish now. Hell just toss out the 4.0 and throw a rotary in there? Hell why not.
1JZ twin turbo...built for it and it's an inline 6 LOL
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Roblaza
1JZ twin turbo...built for it and it's an inline 6 LOL
Still spanish to me.. Lol i only know American muscle. Its what i grew up with.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xj_maniac_newb
Still spanish to me.. Lol i only know American muscle. Its what i grew up with.
Comes in the 91-95 Toyota supra's and some Toyota Soarers
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Roblaza
Comes in the 97-95 Toyota supra's and some Toyota Soarers
Ahhh i see. Ninja made engines
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Roblaza
I think you're mistaken. I used to own a ralliart, and I've been on the evo boards for a long time and not once have I heard of a 4g63T building 20+ PSI at 2500. They don't start to build any decent pressure until around 4000 RPM at the least, and at the top end 22-24 PSI is common MAX. But that's besides the point.

All anyone can do is give details of what THEY would do if they were in your shoes, building a boosted 4.0L. experiment and build what you want to build, turbo or SC. it's ultimately your call
Plain and simple I owned a 93 GSX for several years. With a 16g I was at 20 lbs by 22-2300 rpm.

20-24 psi is common max pressure to whom? You? Just what you've been around?

A guy I was hanging out with used a GT4249R with no wastegate. Ran full boost, 55lbs. He ran under 10 seconds at 150+ mph.

Another guy in my area is running a 2g Eclipse, well over 24 lbs boost.


This is starting to sound like the bench racing version of web wheeling.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gee oh Dee
Plain and simple I owned a 93 GSX for several years. With a 16g I was at 20 lbs by 22-2300 rpm.

20-24 psi is common max pressure to whom? You? Just what you've been around?

A guy I was hanging out with used a GT4249R with no wastegate. Ran full boost, 55lbs. He ran under 10 seconds at 150+ mph.

Another guy in my area is running a 2g Eclipse, well over 24 lbs boost.


This is starting to sound like the bench racing version of web wheeling.
I'm not here to debate with you over it. I've just never seen it in person. I know it's possible, but it takes more than a factory set up to do
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 02:32 PM
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Not many USDM Eclipses/Talons/Lasers came with a 16g from the factory.

But for $5-600 (at least thats what they were) you can get a direct fit 16g made by mitsu. Then some 550cc injectors to help.with fuel cut, and a safc of sorts and you'll be rocking out.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gee oh Dee
I was looking at a SBR 50 trim if I remember correctly.

I had a 93 GSX with a worked over 16g running 31lbs max boost. MLS headgasket, arp studs, HUGE front mount (3'x2'x3" thick) wally 255 pump, and 800something cc injectors with an ACT2600 clutch.

But that was years ago.

Do some research and look at the flow charts. That'd be the best way to put together the ideal turbo.
Yep , I am getting back into the boost scene. 91 fox coupe swaping 87 SVO turbo motor into it. Staying stock for awhile.


To the guys that think its so hard to turbo engines think again !
You can put a turbo just about anywhere and you can turbo any engine.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gee oh Dee
Not many USDM Eclipses/Talons/Lasers came with a 16g from the factory.

But for $5-600 (at least thats what they were) you can get a direct fit 16g made by mitsu. Then some 550cc injectors to help.with fuel cut, and a safc of sorts and you'll be rocking out.
JDM will net you a red top 4g63T it has those two items you speak of. I had a SAFC on my Talon with 550 injectors.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by xj_maniac_newb
Still spanish to me.. Lol i only know American muscle. Its what i grew up with.
I drove a 57 chevy 2dr hdtp to high school . 283 60 over 2x4 intake crower cam, muncie 4 spd. I sold my 55 chevy 210 sedan in 09 when I was getting my divorce it had a 454 that was mild a Th 400, 57 olds rear with 4.88 gears.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Aljay
I drove a 57 chevy 2dr hdtp to high school . 283 60 over 2x4 intake crower cam, muncie 4 spd. I sold my 55 chevy 210 sedan in 09 when I was getting my divorce it had a 454 that was mild a Th 400, 57 olds rear with 4.88 gears.
Hell yeah. Lol speaking of turbos and 383's.. My buddys got a fully forged 383 sitting on the engine stand thats about to get a twin turbo setup on it.. He's gonna put it in a MUSTANG!
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