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the only reason i was going to have serious put it on was because he was going to do all the reaming and welding required
the only reason i ask about the heims is because i see that they are illegal to run on the road in some states, figured there had to be a reason behind that lol cant have my steering fail while on the highway with my kids in the back
No. Ball joints don't touch the steering. And it sounds like its just some knuckle and pitman drilling for the steering. Super easy. Originally Posted by BoogeymanXJ
well i already bought the ball joints and threw away the return shipping packaging -.- does the iro kit not use them? i feel like this is a stupid question because i just reread it and i think i read it wrong the first time because ball joints are not part of the steering system anyways right?the only reason i was going to have serious put it on was because he was going to do all the reaming and welding required
the only reason i ask about the heims is because i see that they are illegal to run on the road in some states, figured there had to be a reason behind that lol cant have my steering fail while on the highway with my kids in the back
Heims are the strongest setup. They will not fail. Can you provide the article where it shows that heims are illegal for street use? I've been unable to find it
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Heims are the strongest setup. They will not fail. Can you provide the article where it shows that heims are illegal for street use? I've been unable to find it
for sure ill see if i can find i again. i was searching heims vs tres and there was a user saying that he runs the 1-ton chevy tres because heims are not street legal in his state.Originally Posted by Atmos
No. Ball joints don't touch the steering. And it sounds like its just some knuckle and pitman drilling for the steering. Super easy. Heims are the strongest setup. They will not fail. Can you provide the article where it shows that heims are illegal for street use? I've been unable to find it
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There's all sorts of arguments staying that heims are illegal. But I was never actually able to find a law that says they're not street legal. If you come across it please share!Originally Posted by BoogeymanXJ
for sure ill see if i can find i again. i was searching heims vs tres and there was a user saying that he runs the 1-ton chevy tres because heims are not street legal in his state.
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Originally Posted by BoogeymanXJ
for sure ill see if i can find i again. i was searching heims vs tres and there was a user saying that he runs the 1-ton chevy tres because heims are not street legal in his state.
Probably lives in California. I was unable to find any actual laws saying they can't be used in my state. Just hear say. I don't know about longevity vs tie rod ends. It have only been a year but mine are showing zero wear.
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Yeah forgot to mention it included that as well. Sorry serious! I do most of this in down time at work so I have to speed reply lolOriginally Posted by SeriousOffroad
To clarify, the $200 installation is for steering AND balljoints.
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I've been going back and forth for a month 1 ton or heim crossover and double sheer the pass knuckle. What's it like driving on the street with heim steering any real issues. I drive 300 miles once a while to wheel with family so what's more highway friendly? What's the right size dom to thread for 3/4 heims I'm getting mixed feed back. I have everything else to go otk just need real input on heims.
Sorry to thread jack
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Yeah that's what I saw too. Probably just people being stupid but I'll see of I can find any evidence to back up their claims lol Originally Posted by Atmos
There's all sorts of arguments staying that heims are illegal. But I was never actually able to find a law that says they're not street legal. If you come across it please share!
Main reason tres sounded better to me was availability of replacements. Not to mention on serious' kit the drag link/tie rod are strong thick walled Dom tubing. From what I've read on these forums Dom seems to hold up better than solid bar like the iron kit because of its ability to spring back instead of just bending. Sorry if I'm being a pest but serious has been awesome answering my questions about his kit and I'm just trying to get as much info of steering upgrades as possible. Knowledge is my drug haha
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I have seen a lot of good reviews about the serious kit. Looks like a solid kit. I prefer crossover steering over inverted T.
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yeah he has good stuff but you'll be fine man! you're over thinking it. DOM vs solid tube?! you're not going to be putting it to the test or anything! both are going to be strong beyond anything you could ask of them. just get whichever is the most simple and budget friendly for yourself and you'll still be better off than 80% of the guys driving lifted CherokeesOriginally Posted by BoogeymanXJ
Main reason tres sounded better to me was availability of replacements. Not to mention on serious' kit the drag link/tie rod are strong thick walled Dom tubing. From what I've read on these forums Dom seems to hold up better than solid bar like the iron kit because of its ability to spring back instead of just bending. Sorry if I'm being a pest but serious has been awesome answering my questions about his kit and I'm just trying to get as much info of steering upgrades as possible. Knowledge is my drug haha
1 ton stuff or heims, it's not going to be wearing out fast at all. not the way the stock crap does
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1 ton stuff or heims, it's not going to be wearing out fast at all. not the way the stock crap does
Yeah I tend to over think everything xD usually do research for a month or 2 before I do anything. I mean it usually means that I get the best for my budget but I'm just going to pick one and if it turns out I hate it I'll sell the kit xD thanks for all the help guys I appreciate it!Originally Posted by Atmos
yeah he has good stuff but you'll be fine man! you're over thinking it. DOM vs solid tube?! you're not going to be putting it to the test or anything! both are going to be strong beyond anything you could ask of them. just get whichever is the most simple and budget friendly for yourself and you'll still be better off than 80% of the guys driving lifted Cherokees1 ton stuff or heims, it's not going to be wearing out fast at all. not the way the stock crap does
By the way if anyone read my other post about my swerving issue I was able to fix it! Turns out it was just some sway bar bushings. Threw on some prothanes and the steering straightened right up. Still have play in the steering wheel but that doesnt bother me as much as the road manners haha
Decided I'm just going to go with my original choice and get the one from Serious. He's been very helpful. His products have top notch ratings and his customer service is the shiz. And the fact that hell install it for a little extra is great!
I'll be sure to post pics when its done!
I'll be sure to post pics when its done!
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I looked everything over before doing mine and with much thought finally decided on the WJ upgrade all new complete from AutoZone (Moog) parts under $100. If I decide later that I need more then I will buy the pieces I need to complete a kit and still keep the WJ items.
Check out the WJ upgrade then look at the same items from the big names as for size etc. for double or triple the price JMHO.
Check out the WJ upgrade then look at the same items from the big names as for size etc. for double or triple the price JMHO.
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Check out the WJ upgrade then look at the same items from the big names as for size etc. for double or triple the price JMHO.
You mean the ZJ tie rod upgrade.Originally Posted by Fred/N0AZZ
I looked everything over before doing mine and with much thought finally decided on the WJ upgrade all new complete from AutoZone (Moog) parts under $100. If I decide later that I need more then I will buy the pieces I need to complete a kit and still keep the WJ items.Check out the WJ upgrade then look at the same items from the big names as for size etc. for double or triple the price JMHO.
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He is referring to steering knuckles from the WJ. Stock over the knuckle. Originally Posted by ohio95xj
You mean the ZJ tie rod upgrade.
I think the brakes can be used also.