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Old Sep 10, 2012 | 11:37 PM
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Really don't know where that came from?

The manufacturer.
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Old Sep 10, 2012 | 11:54 PM
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Considering I have spent years plowing with part time transfer cases in 4wd on the pavement, dry pavement mind you also. And not once had a problem.

I consider this jibberish for the joe.

I am not advocating running your part time on dry pavement constantly. There is no reason. But I am not ignorant enough to believe that running said transfer case on the dry pavement for a day will blow my spider gears out.

No offense to anyone at all. Its not meant as such.
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Old Sep 10, 2012 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by helmut
You drive in 4wd on dry pavement?
LMAO!


NO I simple tested it around town to see how the noise and clicking would be.

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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 12:07 AM
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Considering I have spent years plowing with part time transfer cases in 4wd on the pavement, dry pavement mind you also. And not once had a problem.

I consider this jibberish for the joe.

I am not advocating running your part time on dry pavement constantly. There is no reason. But I am not ignorant enough to believe that running said transfer case on the dry pavement for a day will blow my spider gears out.

No offense to anyone at all. Its not meant as such.
I never said it would blow out your spiders. It just puts added (unnecessary) stress on your driveline, from turning sharp and from your tires not being an identical height. Driving in part time with a front locker on the street is a terrible idea. If you made any sharp turns, I'm sure something would have grenaded unless you had terrible tires.

Why were you plowing dry pavement? :P
Did the trucks you were driving have locking hubs?
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 07:47 AM
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I never said it would blow out your spiders. It just puts added (unnecessary) stress on your driveline, from turning sharp and from your tires not being an identical height. Driving in part time with a front locker on the street is a terrible idea. If you made any sharp turns, I'm sure something would have grenaded unless you had terrible tires.

Why were you plowing dry pavement? :P
Did the trucks you were driving have locking hubs?
Many times you end up on dry pavement. Wet pavement is the same when you have an 8ft plow on the front, and a skid of salt in the rear. No lockouts on newer model chevys.

Transfer was a np261c part time unit.

Also if the spartan can't handle winter driving then its going up for sale. You always can end up on dry pavement, even in winter.

But considering there was no warning label to my knowledge, I think we will be fine.

The jeep and other 4wd's are made knowing people will run them in winter in 4wd. And not always on snow.

The biggest concern is not breakage but rather adverse handling affects.
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 10:34 AM
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Its not that. The front end was open. Would not have made a difference. The np231 you can drive on pavement. Really don't know where that came from? Unless you are running different size front tires than rear tires? The NP231 is like any other direct drive transfer case. It puts equal power to the front and rear axles. Thats it. You will not hurt the transfer case or the front axles any more than the rear axle. Whoever told you this is wrong. Anywho there is no reason to continually drive it on dry pavement in 4wd.

Anyways the spartan is doing grand, pavement and all. Took it off roading again this weekend. performed flawlessly
That would mean that my Jeep came equiped with missmatched sized tires from the factory then, because when I flip my visor it says to use the 231 on wet , loose surface only.
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman

The np231 you can drive on pavement. Really don't know where that came from?
It comes from the owners manual that you cant buddy. It because there's no differentiation in that transfer case between the front and rear axle. That's why it's called part time 4wd, because you can't run it on just any surface, ie. Pavement. Btw, be careful with the Spartan cam gears, they tend to put uneven pressure on the hardened cross pin shaft which is why their hardened cross pins have such a high fail rate.
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by schirm

It comes from the owners manual that you cant buddy. It because there's no differentiation in that transfer case between the front and rear axle. That's why it's called part time 4wd, because you can't run it on just any surface, ie. Pavement. Btw, be careful with the Spartan cam gears, they tend to put uneven pressure on the hardened cross pin shaft which is why their hardened cross pins have such a high fail rate.
Where did you find that
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mr white

Where did you find that
From the president of Torq masters Inc the makers of the Aussie. After our last little debate I called around to get info from manufactures and the Aussie guy said their carrier/cross pin fail rate is far far lower then Spartans because of the way the cam gear distributes pressure over the entire cross shaft as opposed to Spartans design. He directed me to pirate4x4.com to compare reviews. While I will admit to obvious bias in mine and the Aussie prez cases, but you sure can find a ton of Spartan failure stories on line and they are much newer then Aussies.
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by schirm
From the president of Torq masters Inc the makers of the Aussie. After our last little debate I called around to get info from manufactures and the Aussie guy said their carrier/cross pin fail rate is far far lower then Spartans because of the way the cam gear distributes pressure over the entire cross shaft as opposed to Spartans design. He directed me to pirate4x4.com to compare reviews. While I will admit to obvious bias in mine and the Aussie prez cases, but you sure can find a ton of Spartan failure stories on line and they are much newer then Aussies.
Well I only went with spartan because with the research I did I found fewer spartans had problems.

I am not brand loyal to nothing. Not even my jeep. May the best product win in my opinion
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by schirm
It comes from the owners manual that you cant buddy. It because there's no differentiation in that transfer case between the front and rear axle. That's why it's called part time 4wd, because you can't run it on just any surface, ie. Pavement. Btw, be careful with the Spartan cam gears, they tend to put uneven pressure on the hardened cross pin shaft which is why their hardened cross pins have such a high fail rate.

Right, and in the owners manual of most quad manufacturers it states to never run your quad in water that is over the floor boards....


Honestly, I am not being careful with this spartan at all. I will drive on dry pavement. I will abuse the locker, and I will report back.

If it breaks then everyone will know. I will not use a product if I have to be on pins and needles. so consider this review VALID! LOL

And so far its taken the dry pavement, and my offroading. That and its a damaged spartan from where my carrier came apart. The cross pin is a stock cross pin from the spider gears.

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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 02:15 PM
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That would mean that my Jeep came equiped with missmatched sized tires from the factory then, because when I flip my visor it says to use the 231 on wet , loose surface only.
You really should change those out for some matched tires
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Many times you end up on dry pavement. Wet pavement is the same when you have an 8ft plow on the front, and a skid of salt in the rear. No lockouts on newer model chevys.

Transfer was a np261c part time unit.

Also if the spartan can't handle winter driving then its going up for sale. You always can end up on dry pavement, even in winter.

But considering there was no warning label to my knowledge, I think we will be fine.

The jeep and other 4wd's are made knowing people will run them in winter in 4wd. And not always on snow.

The biggest concern is not breakage but rather adverse handling affects.
For the sake of clarity, are you planning on using 4wd with diff lockers for ON road during winter conditions?
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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For the sake of clarity, are you planning on using 4wd with diff lockers for ON road during winter conditions?
Many do. I probably will a little. Shoot we did not get much of a winter last year.

And just for clarity. Can you run part time 4wd on dry rocks?
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman

Many do. I probably will a little. Shoot we did not get much of a winter last year.

And just for clarity. Can you run part time 4wd on dry rocks?
Ok well... I'm not going to go any further with you. We live on different planets. Have a good day
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