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Old 12-20-2018, 11:27 PM
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Hey everyone I am looking for some advice from the gurus here, I did post about this once in the lift, wheel, and tire thread, however that thread seems to be kind of dead. So I thought that I would repost here.

I'm not sure what setup to go with, I plan on using my 00 XJ (AW4, 4.0, stock with 212k miles) as a DD with occasional off roading mostly beach and light trail stuff. Any help you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated, and I do plan on trimming and probably going with the bushwacker flat flares as well as these mods.

I am thinking of going with either one of these lifts, but am open to any options that you may suggest.

OME 4 - 5 inch lift
https://www.rocky-road.com/xj-lift.html

Rough Country 4.5 in lift
https://www.roughcountry.com/jeep-su...it-633xn2.html

I am thinking of running these kits with either a 32" or a 33"(found a great deal on 32' KM2 tires on ebay, https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-LT-32-11-50-15-LRC-6-Ply-BFGoodrich-Mud-Terrain-T-A-KM2-Mud-Tires/143025020174?epid=1040386913&hash=item214cf49d0e:g :SbcAAOSwwhxb-C6l:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!10461!US!-1:rk:2f:0 )

With either of these tire sizes I was thinking of going with a set of g2 4.10 gears, I plan on doing at least a rear locker, if not both front and rear, but I am still doing my research on what I want and how much I am willing to spend on the locker/s. I want the best driveability overall, so I was thinking something selectable such as an OX, but I keep reading good things about spartan lockers.

These are the wheels that I am looking at...

https://www.quadratec.com/p/quadrate...nd-cherokee-xj

https://www.quadratec.com/p/mickey-t...wrangler-yj-tj

With either the Rocky Road Outfitters high steer kit or the cav fab system. Basically my steering components are all old and could use a refresh anyway seeing as these kits basically replace everything and upgrade them at the same time.

https://www.rocky-road.com/xj-high-steer.html

http://cavfab.com/XJ-Steering_c_223.html

I am in need of exhaust and was looking at the banks header, with the banks catback, and catless front pipe (walker i believe)

I have already ordered some brown dog motor mounts to replace my failing ones, and some odds and ends here and there.

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Old 12-21-2018, 12:28 AM
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Iím currently running the rough country 4.5 x-series with full leafs , IRO shackles , CAD brackets and bump stopped front and rear . I have ZERO complaints so far despite the bash fest youíll see on here for RC. I might add everything was built/welded very well and nothing was missing or made incorrectly I have installed thousands and thousands of suspensions components Over the course of my career . Time will tell if it just randomly falls apart over night as the internet will lead you to believe lol
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I will say, Rusty's is not much more than RC but are much better quality. My Rusty's leaf springs are 8 years old and still arch like they should and ride great. Their coils are a nice spring rate that won't ride like a dumptruck and most white body shocks are all the same in the end. 4.5" lift on 33s is a very common and nice setup. So take a look at them over RC personally. On the topic of steering I have had the Cavfab steering for over 2 years now and it has never let me down, one thing to think about though is the difference between TRE and Heim steering. TREs from a good setup will typically run GM ends that can be sourced at any autozone/advance while Heims will need to be ordered, I don't DD mine but if you go with heim and your Jeep is your only vehicle you might want to consider having a spare heim or two just in case and no worries, but again mine are still original with no issues. If you like, 33x10.50r15 or metric equlivent will be much better on gas and not hurt your loss with stock gearing as much as 33x12.50s. Just some thoughts. I'm on 35s with 4"s of lift with a bunch of different parts and love it. 8 year old Rusty's 3" leafs with JKS shackles in this photo.
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Originally Posted by jbusmc1986 View Post
Hey everyone I am looking for some advice from the gurus here, I did post about this once in the lift, wheel, and tire thread, however that thread seems to be kind of dead. So I thought that I would repost here.

I'm not sure what setup to go with, I plan on using my 00 XJ (AW4, 4.0, stock with 212k miles) as a DD with occasional off roading mostly beach and light trail stuff. Any help you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated, and I do plan on trimming and probably going with the bushwacker flat flares as well as these mods.

I am thinking of going with either one of these lifts, but am open to any options that you may suggest.

OME 4 - 5 inch lift
https://www.rocky-road.com/xj-lift.html

Rough Country 4.5 in lift
https://www.roughcountry.com/jeep-su...it-633xn2.html

I am thinking of running these kits with either a 32" or a 33"(found a great deal on 32' KM2 tires on ebay, https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-LT-32-11-50-15-LRC-6-Ply-BFGoodrich-Mud-Terrain-T-A-KM2-Mud-Tires/143025020174?epid=1040386913&hash=item214cf49d0e:g :SbcAAOSwwhxb-C6l:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!10461!US!-1:rk:2f:0 )

With either of these tire sizes I was thinking of going with a set of g2 4.10 gears, I plan on doing at least a rear locker, if not both front and rear, but I am still doing my research on what I want and how much I am willing to spend on the locker/s. I want the best driveability overall, so I was thinking something selectable such as an OX, but I keep reading good things about spartan lockers.

These are the wheels that I am looking at...

https://www.quadratec.com/p/quadrate...nd-cherokee-xj

https://www.quadratec.com/p/mickey-t...wrangler-yj-tj

With either the Rocky Road Outfitters high steer kit or the cav fab system. Basically my steering components are all old and could use a refresh anyway seeing as these kits basically replace everything and upgrade them at the same time.

https://www.rocky-road.com/xj-high-steer.html

http://cavfab.com/XJ-Steering_c_223.html

I am in need of exhaust and was looking at the banks header, with the banks catback, and catless front pipe (walker i believe)

I have already ordered some brown dog motor mounts to replace my failing ones, and some odds and ends here and there.

I'm semi new to the XJ but a couple things I've read so far. If your looking into a lift over 4 inches might wanna budget for a SYE also. I'm currently on a 3.5 lift and did a drop case that seems to have worked well so far. Also i'm not positive but I know I have read that OME doesn't make a lift that big. Quadratec has great deals on tires and wheels. I been eyeballing that CAVFAB kit myself looks pretty quality.

Good luck!!
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Originally Posted by unidentifiedbomb View Post
I will say, Rusty's is not much more than RC but are much better quality. My Rusty's leaf springs are 8 years old and still arch like they should and ride great. Their coils are a nice spring rate that won't ride like a dumptruck and most white body shocks are all the same in the end. 4.5" lift on 33s is a very common and nice setup. So take a look at them over RC personally. On the topic of steering I have had the Cavfab steering for over 2 years now and it has never let me down, one thing to think about though is the difference between TRE and Heim steering. TREs from a good setup will typically run GM ends that can be sourced at any autozone/advance while Heims will need to be ordered, I don't DD mine but if you go with heim and your Jeep is your only vehicle you might want to consider having a spare heim or two just in case and no worries, but again mine are still original with no issues. If you like, 33x10.50r15 or metric equlivent will be much better on gas and not hurt your loss with stock gearing as much as 33x12.50s. Just some thoughts. I'm on 35s with 4"s of lift with a bunch of different parts and love it. 8 year old Rusty's 3" leafs with JKS shackles in this photo.
I contemplated Rustyís myself but heard mixed things jsut like RC so I said wth and took a shot on the underdog . I will be sure to honestly update if and when I do have real problems . Mine also doesnít ride bad at all in fact rides better than it did prior to lift by far . I will also add the leafs came with pinion shims pre installed and between them and the TCD I have zero vibes from the lift and Iíd venture to say I gained 8-10 inches of lift my suspension was severely sagged and rear leafs arched the wrong way entirely lol
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I've seen too many leaf springs snap, bushings crumple in less than a year, parts not lining up, and other issues to ever give RC any money. Just my thoughts, never had an issue with Rusty's and am using their crossmember/tcase skid too.
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Originally Posted by jbusmc1986 View Post
Hey everyone I am looking for some advice from the gurus here, I did post about this once in the lift, wheel, and tire thread, however that thread seems to be kind of dead. So I thought that I would repost here.

I'm not sure what setup to go with, I plan on using my 00 XJ (AW4, 4.0, stock with 212k miles) as a DD with occasional off roading mostly beach and light trail stuff. Any help you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated, and I do plan on trimming and probably going with the bushwacker flat flares as well as these mods.

I am thinking of going with either one of these lifts, but am open to any options that you may suggest.

OME 4 - 5 inch lift
https://www.rocky-road.com/xj-lift.html

Rough Country 4.5 in lift
https://www.roughcountry.com/jeep-su...it-633xn2.html

I am thinking of running these kits with either a 32" or a 33"(found a great deal on 32' KM2 tires on ebay, https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-LT-32-11-50-15-LRC-6-Ply-BFGoodrich-Mud-Terrain-T-A-KM2-Mud-Tires/143025020174?epid=1040386913&hash=item214cf49d0e:g :SbcAAOSwwhxb-C6l:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!10461!US!-1:rk:2f:0 )

With either of these tire sizes I was thinking of going with a set of g2 4.10 gears, I plan on doing at least a rear locker, if not both front and rear, but I am still doing my research on what I want and how much I am willing to spend on the locker/s. I want the best driveability overall, so I was thinking something selectable such as an OX, but I keep reading good things about spartan lockers.

These are the wheels that I am looking at...

https://www.quadratec.com/p/quadrate...nd-cherokee-xj

https://www.quadratec.com/p/mickey-t...wrangler-yj-tj

With either the Rocky Road Outfitters high steer kit or the cav fab system. Basically my steering components are all old and could use a refresh anyway seeing as these kits basically replace everything and upgrade them at the same time.

https://www.rocky-road.com/xj-high-steer.html

http://cavfab.com/XJ-Steering_c_223.html

I am in need of exhaust and was looking at the banks header, with the banks catback, and catless front pipe (walker i believe)

I have already ordered some brown dog motor mounts to replace my failing ones, and some odds and ends here and there.
I got the Cavfab crossover steering and holly cow, it is veru beefy compared to the stock one, it is solid steel so I don't thing I'll ever have any problems with it. Additional to the crossover steering I also put the durango steering gear and got a WJ steering pump.
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I got the Cavfab crossover steering and holly cow, it is veru beefy compared to the stock one, it is solid steel so I don't thing I'll ever have any problems with it. Additional to the crossover steering I also put the durango steering gear and got a WJ steering pump.
How much of a difference did you notice with the WJ steering pump?
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I wouldn't get RC go with Zone or Rubicon Express. For the lockers, lunchbox lockers like a Spartan or Aussie are cheap, easy to install and work great. If you are getting 33" tires then go with 4.56 gears.
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And don't buy anything from Banks, way overpriced, there are products that are better or just as good for cheaper.
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I have an ebay exhaust system that has been great, no need for anything expensive on these old inline 6s. Aussie lockers are great by the way
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And don't buy anything from Banks, way overpriced, there are products that are better or just as good for cheaper.
What do you suggest? I found the banks header for 25% off and other comparable headers I have found are a lot more or aren't stainless steel.
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What do you suggest? I found the banks header for 25% off and other comparable headers I have found are a lot more or aren't stainless steel.
You can get Banks/Gibson knockoffs on eBay for about $150. You get what you pay for though. Some don't fit without being hammered and others crack after a few thousand miles.
I have on​e now that I planned on putting on my daily, but it's factory manifold is (knock of wood) fine so I had second thoughts. I also have a Gibson stainless steel header on my rig and it's awesome. Fit perfectly and still leak free and relatively quiet. I would not have bought it other than finding it on Craigslist for an absolute steal for $200.

About your lift, seems like you have a solid plan. I'd say go for the 33s since you have aftermarket fender flares.

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What do you suggest? I found the banks header for 25% off and other comparable headers I have found are a lot more or aren't stainless steel.
I got an APN header from Summit for a little under $200.
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You can get Banks/Gibson knockoffs on eBay for about $150. You get what you pay for though. Some don't fit without being hammered and others crack after a few thousand miles.
I have on​e now that I planned on putting on my daily, but it's factory manifold is (knock of wood) fine so I had second thoughts. I also have a Gibson stainless steel header on my rig and it's awesome. Fit perfectly and still leak free and relatively quiet. I would not have bought it other than finding it on Craigslist for an absolute steal for $200.

About your lift, seems like you have a solid plan. I'd say go for the 33s since you have aftermarket fender flares.
Thats my thought exactly, I would rather pay $400 once for a header from a reputable company than 200 a few times over the next 10-15 years.
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