explorer rear end... why not a ranger?

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Oct 1, 2011 | 12:48 PM
  #76  
The numbers speak. An 8.8 with upgraded axles is stronger then a stock 60.
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Oct 1, 2011 | 12:51 PM
  #77  
I keep reading in this post about the c clip being weaker, but it isn't weaker. The only disadvantage with c clips is if you break an axle the c clip axle maybe harder to change than the bolt in axle. I've only changed two bolt in style axles where I didn't have to pull the differential cover to remove broken pieces from the locker anyway. It takes between 35-50 minutes to change a c clip axle and depending on whether or not you have to pull the diff cover on the bolt in axle 25-35 minutes to change the shaft. So it just isn't that big of a deal.
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Oct 1, 2011 | 01:06 PM
  #78  
Ya If you have a spare axle with you I would go either or. C clip axles are pretty easy to change. The reason my mustang buddy had eliminators is because they were required for the class he was racing for safety.
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Oct 1, 2011 | 01:18 PM
  #79  
With either type axle you'll have to carry spares when you wheel. I've seen to many guys try driving on broken axles and trash their diffs when the broken pieces tear crap up.
You move the rig to someplace safe ( winch it not drive it ) and then you change the shaft.
You don't limp it home, unless you've got money to waste for new bearings and lockers.
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Oct 1, 2011 | 02:01 PM
  #80  
Quote: The numbers speak. An 8.8 with upgraded axles is stronger then a stock 60.
negative... Not in a million years... Lol...


And c-clips are undesired because if you snap a axle the whole wheel, tire, and all falls out... Not matter of strength... Its a matter of getting out of harms way...
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Oct 1, 2011 | 02:10 PM
  #81  
Quote: January 06 edition of Fourwheeler, page 60.

COT: Continuous output torque rating
MOT: Maximum output torque rating

Dana 35 rear axle COT: 0870 MOT: 3480
Dana 44 rear axle COT: 1100 MOT: 4460

Ford 8.8 31spline COT: 1360 MOT: 5100

Dana 60 semifloat COT: 1500 MOT: 5500
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Warn Axle Test
Axle................Dana 35......Dana 44.......Ford 8.8
Weight............155............167.............1 74
RingGearDia......7.56...........8.5..............8 .8
Pinion Dia.........1.4(26sp)....1.37(30sp)....1.62(30sp)
Axle Dia...........1.16(27sp)..1.30(30sp)....1.32(31sp)
Tube Dia..........2.5"............2.75"...........3.25"
Disks...............no.............Rubicons....... all 95+
Break Strength..4161 ftlb....5982 ftlb.......6200+ ftlb**

**The machine Warn used to test axle breakage maxed out at 6200; at which
the 8.8 had yet to break. Estimates of 8.8 breakage were in the 6400 range.
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OEM and Aftermarket Axle Shaft Ratings
(seems very conservative)

O.E.M Dana 44 30-spline shafts - 2835 lb/ft
O.E.M Ford 88 31-spline shafts - 3725 lb/ft
Super Dana 44 33-spline shafts - 3969 lb/ft
O.E.M Dana 60 35-spline shafts - 4557 lb/ft
Yukon Ford 88 31-spline shafts - 5131 lb/ft
Yukon Dana 60 35-spline shafts - 6380 lb/ft
Look at the numbers. You can get 35 spline axles for the 8.8 too.
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Oct 1, 2011 | 02:16 PM
  #82  
Quote: negative... Not in a million years... Lol...


And c-clips are undesired because if you snap a axle the whole wheel, tire, and all falls out... Not matter of strength... Its a matter of getting out of harms way...
Never seen a one piece axle just fall out in over 35 years of wheeling. Not saying it can not happen, just saying that it isn't something that happens very often, unless you try to keep driving on it.
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Oct 1, 2011 | 02:25 PM
  #83  
Quote: OEM and Aftermarket Axle Shaft Ratings
(seems very conservative)

O.E.M Dana 44 30-spline shafts - 2835 lb/ft
O.E.M Ford 88 31-spline shafts - 3725 lb/ft
Super Dana 44 33-spline shafts - 3969 lb/ft
O.E.M Dana 60 35-spline shafts - 4557 lb/ft
Yukon Ford 88 31-spline shafts - 5131 lb/ft
Yukon Dana 60 35-spline shafts - 6380 lb/ft
The reason these seem conservative is these are yield strength numbers not breaking strength numbers. In other words the amount of pressure to twist the shafts not break the shafts.
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Oct 1, 2011 | 07:47 PM
  #84  
They compared it to a semi float dana 60 man... And even then i dont believe a dang thing 4 wheel magazine says lol... They get proven wrong time and time again... All the magazines do... Heck they got like two pages dedicated to people correcting them!

Go on you tube even... Plenty of videos of jeeps busting c clip dana 35's and the whole dang wheel, tire, and rest of the axle shaft fall out... Heck ive even replaced a axle in a wrangler getting towed begind a RV because of this... Grinded the tube in half...
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Oct 1, 2011 | 07:50 PM
  #85  
And also im talking the whole axle... Not just the shafts...

We could argue this all day really... I dont really care to anymore... Take it easy...
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Oct 1, 2011 | 10:45 PM
  #86  
Quote: They compared it to a semi float dana 60 man... And even then i dont believe a dang thing 4 wheel magazine says lol... They get proven wrong time and time again... All the magazines do... Heck they got like two pages dedicated to people correcting them!

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those numbers were tested by Warn, not the magazine. they magazine just published the numbers.
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Oct 1, 2011 | 10:48 PM
  #87  
I don't see how 700 HP 3200lbs and slicks lie.
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Oct 2, 2011 | 12:27 PM
  #88  
Quote: Go on you tube even... Plenty of videos of jeeps busting c clip dana 35's and the whole dang wheel, tire, and rest of the axle shaft fall out... Heck ive even replaced a axle in a wrangler getting towed begind a RV because of this... Grinded the tube in half...
OK, maybe I need to back up some, yes a bolt in axle is generally more desirable than a c clip axle.
With that being said the c clip axle isn't weaker just because it is a c clip axle. When an axle breaks, it breaks at the weakest point which is the spline area, and it takes time for the broken axle shaft to walk out of the axle tube it doesn't jump out of the tube.
So just stop and winch the rig to somewhere safe and change the axle shaft.
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Oct 2, 2011 | 01:06 PM
  #89  
Quote:
OK, maybe I need to back up some, yes a bolt in axle is generally more desirable than a c clip axle.
With that being said the c clip axle isn't weaker just because it is a c clip axle. When an axle breaks, it breaks at the weakest point which is the spline area, and it takes time for the broken axle shaft to walk out of the axle tube it doesn't jump out of the tube.
So just stop and winch the rig to somewhere safe and change the axle shaft.
Correct... Never claimed they were weaker because of the cclips... Someone else may have i dunno... I said less desirable but like already said just buy the kit... There a great axle for a cherokee dont get me wrong... But in the offroad world a dana 60 is more desired... Dont really care about what they are to guys in a mustang...
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Oct 2, 2011 | 02:37 PM
  #90  
Quote: Correct... Never claimed they were weaker because of the cclips... Someone else may have i dunno... I said less desirable but like already said just buy the kit... There a great axle for a cherokee dont get me wrong... But in the offroad world a dana 60 is more desired... Dont really care about what they are to guys in a mustang...
personally i would rather an 8.8 with a cclip eliminator in a jeep vs a SF D60. Its not expensive for me to carry a handful of spare shafts and some fluid. My truck came stock with the 28 spline and its going to a sterling 10.25 looked at a D60 rear in it and its not worth it to have to build a D60 to match the stock performance of a sterling. It also barely offered improvements vs the 8.8.
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