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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
You must not know your facts, because I entered my numbers from Jim Allen's Axles 101 and those numbers were sourced from the Axle Manufactures Association. So I guess you are mistaken, although I stated that the 8.8 was closer to a D/60 in strength than it was to a D/35 I never stated that it was equal or almost equal in strength to a D/60.
i never stated torque numbers nor did i ever state that i knew them. i simply gave dimensions and actual specs. the only real difference is that the R&P is a little bigger so why would i go through all the trouble for a little bit bigger R&P. oh and my specs were pulled straight from the manufacturers axle build sheets BTW so your arguing that i don't know my facts when you've only pulled torque numbers not specs.

so you copy and pasted the torque load good for you, that doesn't mean that you know it. frankly the torque load numbers change so much when you modify an axle and add things such as bigger tires that i'd rather o by actual dimensions of the shaft diameter, R&P size, tube diameter and thickness, housing thickness etc. than a few numbers that were pulled off of a stock setup.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 04:22 PM
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F it run 2 1/2 ton rockwell
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 04:26 PM
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I see why dudes go with the 8.8 on a moderate build, but if its just gonna end up a toy I can also see jmaxj's side as there's no point in tossing in a axle your just gonna rip out for a D60 a year down the road!! Guess you just gotta ask yourself "what am I gonna want outta this rig in a couple years?"

I know cause that's what I'm thinking now!
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jmaxj
i never stated torque numbers nor did i ever state that i knew them. i simply gave dimensions and actual specs. the only real difference is that the R&P is a little bigger so why would i go through all the trouble for a little bit bigger R&P. oh and my specs were pulled straight from the manufacturers axle build sheets BTW so your arguing that i don't know my facts when you've only pulled torque numbers not specs.
You stated that the D/35 is almost as strong as a Ford 8.8 that is what started this discussion, not me.

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so you copy and pasted the torque load good for you, that doesn't mean that you know it. frankly the torque load numbers change so much when you modify an axle and add things such as bigger tires that i'd rather o by actual dimensions of the shaft diameter, R&P size, tube diameter and thickness, housing thickness etc. than a few numbers that were pulled off of a stock setup.
Yes I used information I have in some reference material. I do know something about axles I've been wheeling for over 35 years, but I don't have every axles torque ratings memorized.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
You stated that the D/35 is almost as strong as a Ford 8.8 that is what started this discussion, not me.



Yes I used information I have in some reference material. I do know something about axles I've been wheeling for over 35 years, but I don't have every axles torque ratings memorized.
i stated it's a lot of work for minimal gain which it is. i would run the semi float 35 thats in my MJ before an 8.8 mainly cause its not a C clip axle. and i wasn't trying to start an I know more than you argument i'm just stating facts on both axles and why i don't see the point in spending that much money in an axle thats (yes stronger) but not any huge gain. it's like spending 1200 bucks on a 30 its still gonna break. (i know cause i built and exploded 3 for mine before i decided to toss the 30)

now with that being said. i'm gonna say this, for mild wheelin on 31-33" tires its a decent axle. but i wouldn't toss a set of 35's on it and push it since i've seen quite a few explode doing moderate ledge climbs.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
I guess the main thing is did you get the answer to your question? Not to sure about what turds you are stirring, hope that wasn't meant as an insult.
Not an insult, little bit of humor to break the tension. Anyhow my question was answered with the link towards the top of the page... I am getting a lot out of this discussion though. The way I see it if my buddy could run an 8.8 with 35 spline axles, a locker and a c clip eliminator on his 700hp mustang on 29" cheaters, I would certainly think it would stand up to 35s on the same setup with a hell of a lit less HP. Let's face it those slicks hooked hard and with that much HP lifting the front end I can't imagine the stress on that rear end.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 06:41 PM
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So lets disspell some of the bull**** in this thread about the Ford 8.8 vs the Dana 35.



(^photo since no one loaded the tablemaker code on here^)

Ford 8.8" shaft vs Dana 35 shaft


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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 06:49 PM
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Good chart, but on the shaft photos which is which? Looks like the 8.8 is on the left, right?
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
Good grafts, but on the shaft photos which is which? Looks like the 8.8 is on the left, right?
yes i will flip the wording so it makes more sense
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 06:57 PM
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My eyes play tricks sometimes so I was just checking to make sure it wasn't an illusion.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
My eyes play tricks sometimes so I was just checking to make sure it wasn't an illusion.
no problem what i don't understand is how the D35 is compared to a Ford 8.8" the 8.8" is used in FULLSIZE TRUCKS. The D35 is used in vehicles with half the towing capacity, half the payload etc. It is considered a 1/4 truck rearend. Hell the IFS is the same axle with a higher GAWR
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cdawall
no problem what i don't understand is how the D35 is compared to a Ford 8.8" the 8.8" is used in FULLSIZE TRUCKS. The D35 is used in vehicles with half the towing capacity, half the payload etc. It is considered a 1/4 truck rearend. Hell the IFS is the same axle with a higher GAWR
I don't understand either, I've only seen two 8.8s break and they were both Ranger 28 spline shaft 8.8s running 35s I think. I also saw one spin an axle tube, but that was just someone not knowing enough to weld the plugs.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
I don't understand either, I've only seen two 8.8s break and they were both Ranger 28 spline shaft 8.8s running 35s I think. I also saw one spin an axle tube, but that was just someone not knowing enough to weld the plugs.
I have been running my 28 spline for a couple of years with a set of 33's and now heavy bias 33s neither has caused an issue and I use the brakes and LSD like a locker.
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cdawall
I have been running my 28 spline for a couple of years with a set of 33's and now heavy bias 33s neither has caused an issue and I use the brakes and LSD like a locker.
Yeah, the 28 spline 8.8 is strong, one of the reasons it is so strong is Ford uses 1050 steel instead of 1040 steel in their axle shafts, that is an increase of about 25-30 percent in strength.
The two 28 spline 8.8s I saw break were both from dropping back off of a rock ledge with the skinny peddle on the floor, so something had to give.
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 12:19 PM
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it's all about how much money you put into your axle of choice. i think the 8.8 is a fair upgrade to run 33's if you do it cheap and if you want to run 35's, add aftermarket shafts. that being said if i had a d35 i would rather spend $100 on a bolt in 29 spline c8.25 than spend $300+ to make an 8.8 work. there are things about the 8.8 that i just don't like. if you're spending $1200 on an 8.8 you're doing it wrong lol

i got an xj d44 from the jy for $90 and i have been super mean to it for the last 2.5 yrs (9 moab trips) with no issues so i couldn't be happier
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