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Old Apr 29, 2012 | 09:09 PM
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But one question, wheres the tail cone mount?
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Old Apr 29, 2012 | 09:15 PM
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What exactly do you meam HO motor. Not trying to be dumb but I cant figure it out haha. Also yea my manifolds cracked I found them and I had it welded up but it still ticks. I think it may be leaking at the flange because its dented in and I think its not sealing right so I may just need a new flange. Also how will I know if my motor mounts are bad? Thats what I was saying ive looked at but cant tell if theyre bad.
HO = High Output, aka 4.0L's from 1991-2001

The manifold is dented, or the downpipe? There are factory dents in the downpipe to give clearance with the front driveshaft yoke.

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But one question, wheres the tail cone mount?
sandwiched between the transmission and the tranny crossmember
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Old Apr 29, 2012 | 09:21 PM
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HO = High Output, aka 4.0L's from 1991-2001

The manifold is dented, or the downpipe? There are factory dents in the downpipe to give clearance with the front driveshaft yoke.


sandwiched between the transmission and the tranny crossmember
Ohhhh just looked that up, guess it's not messed up then. But thanks, that what I though about the mount just didn't know if there was a different too.
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Old Apr 29, 2012 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mattphillips90
Ohhhh just looked that up, guess it's not messed up then. But thanks, that what I though about the mount just didn't know if there was a different too.
Sowwies - "tailcone" is the rear extension housing on the transmission case (or transfer case - same idea.)

It's a catchall - it either refers to the extension of the case that the slip yoke slips into, or the transfer case adapter housing (the one replaces the other, although the mainshafts usually have to be replaced to effect the conversion between 2WD and 4WD.)

Most often, the transmission mount - particularly on automatics - is on the tailcone/tailshaft housing/transfer case adapter housing because the sump pan is in the way.
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Old Apr 30, 2012 | 12:47 PM
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#1 - Cracked manifold = Check your Engine Mounts!

Reports from the field indicate that a cracked manifold is almost invariably preceded by engine mounts failing. They don't have to "chunk out" on you, but you'll note that they're really soft. If you're replacing one, replace all three (engine left/engine right/transmission tailcone.)

#2 - The big problem with the XJ exhaust system is that it's very rigid, and relative movement kills it. The best fix? Take your downpipe in to an exhaust shop, and ask them to replace a section of it with a flex joint. That's even better than the aftermarket manifold with the bellows in the #1 and #6 primaries (because it's not the #1 and #6 primaries alone that are the problem.) (NB: This is what I'll be doing as a part of the refit on my 88. I haven't had a cracked manifold yet, but I plan on redoing just about everything anyhow.) I think the later (2000-2001 w/#0331 head and precats) have a split downpipe with a short Wye section - have the flex joint welded into the straight single section instead. This also saves having to wrestle with branches, getting them to line up (since the OEM Wye section isn't disturbed.)

#3 - Exhaust manifold swapping:

1987-1990 w/#2686 head will swap freely amongst themselves. You may be able to swap outside of this range, but I haven't confirmed.

1991-1995 #w/7120 head - swap freely.

1996-1999 w/#0630 head - swap freely.

2000-2001 w/#0331 head - swap freely.

The #7120 manifold should replace the exhaust on the #0630 head, but this is a one-way swap - the primaries on the #0630 manifold are smaller (as are the ports in the head,) and the later manifold will not fully cover the earlier ports.

The #0331 manifold is a special case, and will only swap with itself (this is because it has the two "pre-cats" in it, and you'll get a persistent DTC if you eliminate them.

Chances of swapping between various models gets smaller - if you have a more specific question, feel free to ask (I haven't finished assimilating all of the data to hand yet.) However, information given is opinion based on Hollander Interchange (a source I have learned to consider "definitive") and reports from the field.
Don't forget about coefficient of linear expansion....cast iron moves .00000655" for every degree F. So...let's say a 30" long iron head x delta 133 x alpha .0000065 = 0.0259 Basically your cylinder head can grow in length about .026" from 77F to 210F. Food for thought.
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Old Apr 30, 2012 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hankthetank
Don't forget about coefficient of linear expansion....cast iron moves .00000655" for every degree F. So...let's say a 30" long iron head x delta 133 x alpha .0000065 = 0.0259 Basically your cylinder head can grow in length about .026" from 77F to 210F. Food for thought.
I haven't - that's why the manifold screws loosen over time, and why those bowl-shaped washers are in place on the screws (although I do still want to experiment with putting true Belleville washers in place. Methinks the spring tension will help them work better, instead of just looking for the elasticity intrinsic to the metal.)

But that doesn't have much to do with swapping parts, and the rigidity inbuilt into the system is a greater factor than the thermal expansion. (Relative motion due to vibration is an order of magnitude or two greater than the expansion due to delta-T.)
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Old May 1, 2012 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 5-90

I haven't - that's why the manifold screws loosen over time, and why those bowl-shaped washers are in place on the screws (although I do still want to experiment with putting true Belleville washers in place. Methinks the spring tension will help them work better, instead of just looking for the elasticity intrinsic to the metal.)

But that doesn't have much to do with swapping parts, and the rigidity inbuilt into the system is a greater factor than the thermal expansion. (Relative motion due to vibration is an order of magnitude or two greater than the expansion due to delta-T.)
Agreed. The exhaust manifold would obviously move too, I think steel is close to the same alpha.
I was thinking that maybe the steel is cooling faster than the iron after shut down too...dunno, maybe it pulls itself apart...as well as the vibration.
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this got real technical real quick...thanks guys
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Old May 1, 2012 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Culprite
this got real technical real quick...thanks guys
True that! I've learned a lot more than I thought from such a little question haha
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So Im doing the swap on my 91 XJ and Im wondering can i use the factory manifolds off the LS in this swap or what headers should i use that will fit on between the motor and the unibody rails?
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Old Oct 21, 2022 | 05:16 AM
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Probably better to start your own thread than to ask in a 10 year old thread that's completely not related. Post in Modified XJ tech, please.
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Old Oct 21, 2022 | 10:01 AM
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AND this needs to go in Modified Tech.

https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/
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Was it an aftermarket exhaust manifold?

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http://www.ineedparts.com/index.php?...oduct_id=15343

Get it and don't look back. Also take a look at your motor mounts while you're in there. That's the #1 reason the manifold cracks
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Originally Posted by BHARP
So Im doing the swap on my 91 XJ and Im wondering can i use the factory manifolds off the LS in this swap or what headers should i use that will fit on between the motor and the unibody rails?
Id look into block hugger manifolds. Assuming youl be fabbing exhaust off whatever manifolds you go with.

I dont mind posting in a old thread that has quite alot of info. Kinda bumping it so the ieep freaks can see it.

Not sure why rogues got his panties in a knot
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