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Old 10-28-2014, 04:26 PM
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I finally got around to the alignment shop today after lifting my jeep (3in full leafs, coils, shocks, IRO adj track bar). I'm running 31x10.5xr15 tires. I had been driving the Jeep around with terrible alignment for a couple weeks. As soon as I had it aligned I took it up to about 60mph then I hit a bump, felt like the whole front end was gonna fall apart. Not sure if it was full on death wobble but it sure felt like I was going to die. Came home and put a breaker bar on the LCA, trac bar, and tie rod bolts, all were pretty freaking tight. Took it down a bumpy back road at around 55-60 and same thing happened. I don't have to slow down to a complete stop before it goes away, which is why I'm not entirely sure if it's full on DW. But why would this happen AFTER the alignment and not before? Had it aligned at the local Firestone in case anyone is curious.
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Originally Posted by straxcla
I finally got around to the alignment shop today after lifting my jeep (3in full leafs, coils, shocks, IRO adj track bar). I'm running 31x10.5xr15 tires. I had been driving the Jeep around with terrible alignment for a couple weeks. As soon as I had it aligned I took it up to about 60mph then I hit a bump, felt like the whole front end was gonna fall apart. Not sure if it was full on death wobble but it sure felt like I was going to die. Came home and put a breaker bar on the LCA, trac bar, and tie rod bolts, all were pretty freaking tight. Took it down a bumpy back road at around 55-60 and same thing happened. I don't have to slow down to a complete stop before it goes away, which is why I'm not entirely sure if it's full on DW. But why would this happen AFTER the alignment and not before? Had it aligned at the local Firestone in case anyone is curious.
Do you have the spec sheet on the alignment?
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definitely full on deathwobble.
Ive never had a shop alignment but what ive seen others say is that shops like firestone and any that dont specialize in lifted vehicles dont take that into account and set it to factory spec
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They didn't give me the spec sheet. I'm going back tomorrow to have them double check everything, and yell at them. I'll make sure to get a spec sheet while I'm at it. Anywhere I can find the correct specs on an alignment for lifted jeeps?
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Any news? I noticed my tires are i bit toe out and are wearing on the inside tread. I need to do an alignment, but you have me all freaked out! haha

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They didn't give me the spec sheet. I'm going back tomorrow to have them double check everything, and yell at them. I'll make sure to get a spec sheet while I'm at it. Anywhere I can find the correct specs on an alignment for lifted jeeps?
Did they set the toe in 1/8
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exjay1027 is spot on. You have to tell most shops how to set the alignment. Ask one of your local 4x4 shops if they can recommend someone to do your alignment.
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go with the following specs:

Caster: +3.5 to +6.0
Toe In: +.20 degrees ( +1/16" to 1/8" measured at the tire )

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go with the following specs:

Caster: +3.5 to +6.0
Toe In: +.20 degrees ( +1/16" to 1/8" measured at the tire )

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Does this work with all lift heights and tire sizes on all cherokees?
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I did go back in and they checked everything. They informed that my steering stabilizer was shot (which it is, actually noticed it leaking when I was putting on my lift and never addressed it) and that one tire was low on air. According to their tech all I felt was the steering wobbling back and forth but not the entire axle. Alignment was spot on but they did double check it for me and gave me a spec sheet. Caster was at 5.3, can't remember off the top of my head what toe in was. I'm a bit skeptical about the diagnosis but I also haven't had it DW since the other day. I ordered a Rubicon Express Steering Stabilizer for like $36 so I'll throw that on when it gets here and see what happens. Liberty Guerrilla see if you can find a local 4x4 shop and have the alignment done there
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Originally Posted by Liberty Guerrilla
Does this work with all lift heights and tire sizes on all cherokees?
No, those specs are for a 3" lifted.

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Originally Posted by straxcla
I did go back in and they checked everything. They informed that my steering stabilizer was shot (which it is, actually noticed it leaking when I was putting on my lift and never addressed it) and that one tire was low on air. According to their tech all I felt was the steering wobbling back and forth but not the entire axle. Alignment was spot on but they did double check it for me and gave me a spec sheet. Caster was at 5.3, can't remember off the top of my head what toe in was. I'm a bit skeptical about the diagnosis but I also haven't had it DW since the other day. I ordered a Rubicon Express Steering Stabilizer for like $36 so I'll throw that on when it gets here and see what happens. Liberty Guerrilla see if you can find a local 4x4 shop and have the alignment done there
Ugh...

A bad stabilizer does not cause DW. I hate idiot techs who have no idea what they're talking about.
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A bad stabilizer does not cause DW. I hate idiot techs who have no idea what they're talking about.
Everyone I've ever read/talked to says the same thing. However mine IS broke so I figured I'd fix it, sure couldn't hurt. If I ever get DW again the Jeep is going to a 4x4 shop. I can take off bolts and replace stuff but diagnostics, especially DW, is where I'm clueless.
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Steering stabilizers can put a bandaid on your DW but there is a bigger problem that needs addressed
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Nothing to add but the fact that DW is scary as crap. Had it happen to me the other day...though I had a flat or something at first until it went away when I got down to 40mph


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