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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 02:01 PM
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^x2 The 4.10 8.8s aren't hard to find. The biggest problem I've had is getting the JY guys to understand that I don't want the LS ones.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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Punctuation, would help.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by N20jeep
the 8.8 has the edge in strength over the 44.

and the disc brakes and the huge aftermarket are a big plus.

it really matters if you're comfortable doing the grinding and welding it takes to install the 8.8. but, if not...and you can find a cheap XJ44, then i say go with the 44


but, overall i would choose the 8.8
This is just about spot on.

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im picking up my 8.8 today or tomrorow...total cost $0.00 dollars.
though it is still drum brakes but for $0 it will work. lol
Be careful, if it has drums it could have been a Ranger 28 spline unit...which doesn't buy you much (if anything) over an 8.25 and it's a lot more work to install.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by huntingman2706217
...but I would install a 8.8 before a d44... 3.73's with limited slip and find a 3.73 Dana 30...
A D30 with 3.73 gears is an VERY rare axle; they only came on Up-Country editions with tow-package.
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...and regear your front or find a TJ with 4.10's which I have one of those locally as well
A TJ D30 is a step backwards as it is a low pinion. Although very rare, a better option is to try to find a 4-cyl Cherokee HP D30 with 4.10 gears.

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lol... look at ruff stuffs simple axle swap... that's what I got... for the money its beef as heck man... and has everything to make it easy to swap in...
Yes, that is a good, simple choice if you don't feel like making your own spring plates.

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the 8.8's brake lines and everything are the same... so its more work to give a Dana 44 disc brakes and better gears then welding on perches and shock tabs to the 8.8... nottto mention u can rotate the 8.8's yoke up and get your driveline back from your lift...
Sort of, you have to flare the lines to fit, but it's easy.

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Not many xjs had 4.10's... most were 3.73... I've never seen a 4.10 xj... 8.8's have a tag on the pass side diff that sticks out... says 4.10... 3.73... 3L73... means limited slip... 3.55... 3.27 I think that's all of them...
Yes, 4.10 XJs are rare. The overwhelming majority of them came with 3.55s, not 3.73. And yes, there is a tag on the 8.8 that will tell you what's inside. Also, remember the axle you really want is out of a 96+ Explorer, not Ranger.
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I never thought they had a nine inch... not a big enough vehicle... some cars had a narrower 9in but were 28 spline and small bearings...
All Ford Early Broncos ('66-'77) are equipped with 9" axles. The early ones are small bearings, but later ones are larger.
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Damn that was hard to read...
LOL, irony.
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^x2 The 4.10 8.8s aren't hard to find. The biggest problem I've had is getting the JY guys to understand that I don't want the LS ones.
x3. For an out of the box traction aid, the Ford LS is actually pretty good (assuming it's not worn the hell out), BUT if you want to do a locker at a later date you want an 8.8 with an open carrier.

Though this hasn't been brought up, when swapping in an 8.8 it's a good idea to do a couple stitch welds where the tubes are pressed into the center section (pumpkin). They are somewhat notorious for spinning a tube with hard use. Another thing is the c-clip; Dana fans will claim the D44 is superior because it is a semi-float. But if it never breaks, who cares? For those really upset about a c-clip axle, Superior Axle & Gear makes a great eliminator kit (Super88) that also comes with alloy shafts and widens the axle so that it matches the front a little better (8.8s are narrow compared to stock XJ axles).
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by IXNAYXJ
Be careful, if it has drums it could have been a Ranger 28 spline unit...which doesn't buy you much (if anything) over an 8.25 and it's a lot more work to install.
I know the Xploder it came out of. its my buddy's rig.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by j-rod
I know the Xploder it came out of. its my buddy's rig.
Gotcha, still a bummer about the drums.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by IXNAYXJ
Gotcha, still a bummer about the drums.
for zero bucks.....i can manage. LOL
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by N20jeep
In what way?
As far as width.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 05:31 PM
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A D30 with 3.73 gears is an VERY rare axle; they only came on Up-Country editions with tow-package. nope wrong... ive found two... ones in a 86 xj in the JY and one i owned that was a waggy... both are 4cy autos... in fact all the 4 bangers automatics ive seen are 3.73 and one 3.55

A TJ D30 is a step backwards as it is a low pinion. true but a cheap way to get your gears right for awhile... this depends on the amount of wheeling you actually do and the kind...

Although very rare, a better option is to try to find a 4-cyl Cherokee HP D30 with 4.10 gears. VERY rare... ive never seen one and ive looked at hundreds in the local junkyards... id say they didnt come with them if people didnt keep saying on the internet they did lol...

Yes, that is a good, simple choice if you don't feel like making your own spring plates. also come with shock tabs... fat u bolts for like semi's... like 1 in long nuts and a huge top plate... more then just the spring plates... and stronger then the ones you can build... takes a big machine to bend this thick of metal that not anyone can do in there garage... do you need it this thick though? probly not... lol

Sort of, you have to flare the lines to fit, but it's easy. talked to a guy the other day said stock location and everything... mounted right up to each other... i dont know if he did it at the axle or at the uni-frame though...

Yes, 4.10 XJs are rare. The overwhelming majority of them came with 3.55s, not 3.73. correct if were talking the 4.0/aw4... incorrect if were talking 4.0 AX-15 or 4 bangers And yes, there is a tag on the 8.8 that will tell you what's inside. Also, remember the axle you really want is out of a 96+ Explorer, not Ranger. correct

All Ford Early Broncos ('66-'77) are equipped with 9" axles. The early ones are small bearings, but later ones are larger. he said to keep closer to the width... this would mean hes talking about a bronco II... i know the big broncos had them... but there a full size truck!

LOL, irony.
x3. For an out of the box traction aid, the Ford LS is actually pretty good (assuming it's not worn the hell out), BUT if you want to do a locker at a later date you want an 8.8 with an open carrier. spool it!

Though this hasn't been brought up, when swapping in an 8.8 it's a good idea to do a couple stitch welds where the tubes are pressed into the center section (pumpkin). They are somewhat notorious for spinning a tube with hard use. Another thing is the c-clip; Dana fans will claim the D44 is superior because it is a semi-float. But if it never breaks, who cares? For those really upset about a c-clip axle, Superior Axle & Gear makes a great eliminator kit (Super88) that also comes with alloy shafts and widens the axle so that it matches the front a little better (8.8s are narrow compared to stock XJ axles).[/QUOTE]

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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by huntingman2706217
correct if were talking the 4.0/aw4... incorrect if were talking 4.0 AX-15 or 4 bangers
I'm not going to get into an internet pissing match with you, but 3.73 is a very rare ratio in an XJ. 4.0/AX-15 came with 3.07 gears only, and I so rarely see 4-cylinder XJs I can't really comment from personal experience. Every reference I can find online (from Allpar to Wikipedia to NAXJA) is indicating that 3.73 only came with some rarely optioned 6-cylinder models. YMMV
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by IXNAYXJ
I'm not going to get into an internet pissing match with you, but 3.73 is a very rare ratio in an XJ. 4.0/AX-15 came with 3.07 gears only, and I so rarely see 4-cylinder XJs I can't really comment from personal experience. Every reference I can find online (from Allpar to Wikipedia to NAXJA) is indicating that 3.73 only came with some rarely optioned 6-cylinder models. YMMV
im not trying to get into one with you either... just sayin... i know the 4.0's 5 speeds all were 3.07... just when u said that i didnt want someone else to think they came with 3.55's or 3.73's just because its a 4.0... we hadnt brought up the 5 speeds but i just didnt want anyone else to get confused...

as for the 3.73's though i see whats happening... YES they were rarely stuck in the 4.0 automatics... the newer models... there is one in our for sales right now with 3.73's...its got the tow package and some some other stuff... he wrecked it... lol... so yes im sure you read the 4.0's did have 3.73's in a rare models but not the cherokees themself... most of the 4 bangers were 3.73's...

im not sure where the confusion started there but it now makes sense... were both right! lol...
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by huntingman2706217
... most of the 4 bangers were 3.73's...
Actually, they're either 4.56 (with an auto) or 4.10 (5-spd). The Holy Grail junk yard find is the 4-cyl auto due to the 4.56 gears.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
^x2 The 4.10 8.8s aren't hard to find. The biggest problem I've had is getting the JY guys to understand that I don't want the LS ones.
why don't you want limited slip?
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 98 brutus
why don't you want limited slip?
Originally Posted by IXNAYXJ
For an out of the box traction aid, the Ford LS is actually pretty good (assuming it's not worn the hell out), BUT if you want to do a locker at a later date you want an 8.8 with an open carrier.
The available lockers aren't compatible with the LSD. You'd have to swap out to an open carrier in order to install the locker.
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Originally Posted by IXNAYXJ
Actually, they're either 4.56 (with an auto) or 4.10 (5-spd). The Holy Grail junk yard find is the 4-cyl auto due to the 4.56 gears.
the one i owned for a parts jeep (1985) (Winston on here bought the axles from me) and the one in the jy less then a mile away (1986) are 4 bangers with automatics... both were 3.73's... another 4 banger in the junkyard is automatic and its 3.55's front and rear (maybe early 90's model)... never seen different elsewhere... all i know... and the 99 TJ 4 banger 5 speed has 4.10's down the street at the same yard... but he wants to much moneys for them... $1200 for both...
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