D44 or ford 8.8 rear end?
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From: Issaquah, Wa
Year: 1998
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the 8.8 has the edge in strength over the 44.
and the disc brakes and the huge aftermarket are a big plus.
it really matters if you're comfortable doing the grinding and welding it takes to install the 8.8. but, if not...and you can find a cheap XJ44, then i say go with the 44
but, overall i would choose the 8.8
and the disc brakes and the huge aftermarket are a big plus.
it really matters if you're comfortable doing the grinding and welding it takes to install the 8.8. but, if not...and you can find a cheap XJ44, then i say go with the 44
but, overall i would choose the 8.8
Be careful, if it has drums it could have been a Ranger 28 spline unit...which doesn't buy you much (if anything) over an 8.25 and it's a lot more work to install.
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the 8.8's brake lines and everything are the same... so its more work to give a Dana 44 disc brakes and better gears then welding on perches and shock tabs to the 8.8... nottto mention u can rotate the 8.8's yoke up and get your driveline back from your lift...
Though this hasn't been brought up, when swapping in an 8.8 it's a good idea to do a couple stitch welds where the tubes are pressed into the center section (pumpkin). They are somewhat notorious for spinning a tube with hard use. Another thing is the c-clip; Dana fans will claim the D44 is superior because it is a semi-float. But if it never breaks, who cares? For those really upset about a c-clip axle, Superior Axle & Gear makes a great eliminator kit (Super88) that also comes with alloy shafts and widens the axle so that it matches the front a little better (8.8s are narrow compared to stock XJ axles).
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A D30 with 3.73 gears is an VERY rare axle; they only came on Up-Country editions with tow-package. nope wrong... ive found two... ones in a 86 xj in the JY and one i owned that was a waggy... both are 4cy autos... in fact all the 4 bangers automatics ive seen are 3.73 and one 3.55
A TJ D30 is a step backwards as it is a low pinion. true but a cheap way to get your gears right for awhile... this depends on the amount of wheeling you actually do and the kind...
Although very rare, a better option is to try to find a 4-cyl Cherokee HP D30 with 4.10 gears. VERY rare... ive never seen one and ive looked at hundreds in the local junkyards... id say they didnt come with them if people didnt keep saying on the internet they did lol...
Yes, that is a good, simple choice if you don't feel like making your own spring plates. also come with shock tabs... fat u bolts for like semi's... like 1 in long nuts and a huge top plate... more then just the spring plates... and stronger then the ones you can build... takes a big machine to bend this thick of metal that not anyone can do in there garage... do you need it this thick though? probly not... lol
Sort of, you have to flare the lines to fit, but it's easy. talked to a guy the other day said stock location and everything... mounted right up to each other... i dont know if he did it at the axle or at the uni-frame though...
Yes, 4.10 XJs are rare. The overwhelming majority of them came with 3.55s, not 3.73. correct if were talking the 4.0/aw4... incorrect if were talking 4.0 AX-15 or 4 bangers And yes, there is a tag on the 8.8 that will tell you what's inside. Also, remember the axle you really want is out of a 96+ Explorer, not Ranger. correct
All Ford Early Broncos ('66-'77) are equipped with 9" axles. The early ones are small bearings, but later ones are larger. he said to keep closer to the width... this would mean hes talking about a bronco II... i know the big broncos had them... but there a full size truck!
LOL, irony.
x3. For an out of the box traction aid, the Ford LS is actually pretty good (assuming it's not worn the hell out), BUT if you want to do a locker at a later date you want an 8.8 with an open carrier. spool it!
Though this hasn't been brought up, when swapping in an 8.8 it's a good idea to do a couple stitch welds where the tubes are pressed into the center section (pumpkin). They are somewhat notorious for spinning a tube with hard use. Another thing is the c-clip; Dana fans will claim the D44 is superior because it is a semi-float. But if it never breaks, who cares? For those really upset about a c-clip axle, Superior Axle & Gear makes a great eliminator kit (Super88) that also comes with alloy shafts and widens the axle so that it matches the front a little better (8.8s are narrow compared to stock XJ axles).[/QUOTE]
A TJ D30 is a step backwards as it is a low pinion. true but a cheap way to get your gears right for awhile... this depends on the amount of wheeling you actually do and the kind...
Although very rare, a better option is to try to find a 4-cyl Cherokee HP D30 with 4.10 gears. VERY rare... ive never seen one and ive looked at hundreds in the local junkyards... id say they didnt come with them if people didnt keep saying on the internet they did lol...
Yes, that is a good, simple choice if you don't feel like making your own spring plates. also come with shock tabs... fat u bolts for like semi's... like 1 in long nuts and a huge top plate... more then just the spring plates... and stronger then the ones you can build... takes a big machine to bend this thick of metal that not anyone can do in there garage... do you need it this thick though? probly not... lol
Sort of, you have to flare the lines to fit, but it's easy. talked to a guy the other day said stock location and everything... mounted right up to each other... i dont know if he did it at the axle or at the uni-frame though...
Yes, 4.10 XJs are rare. The overwhelming majority of them came with 3.55s, not 3.73. correct if were talking the 4.0/aw4... incorrect if were talking 4.0 AX-15 or 4 bangers And yes, there is a tag on the 8.8 that will tell you what's inside. Also, remember the axle you really want is out of a 96+ Explorer, not Ranger. correct
All Ford Early Broncos ('66-'77) are equipped with 9" axles. The early ones are small bearings, but later ones are larger. he said to keep closer to the width... this would mean hes talking about a bronco II... i know the big broncos had them... but there a full size truck!
LOL, irony.
x3. For an out of the box traction aid, the Ford LS is actually pretty good (assuming it's not worn the hell out), BUT if you want to do a locker at a later date you want an 8.8 with an open carrier. spool it!
Though this hasn't been brought up, when swapping in an 8.8 it's a good idea to do a couple stitch welds where the tubes are pressed into the center section (pumpkin). They are somewhat notorious for spinning a tube with hard use. Another thing is the c-clip; Dana fans will claim the D44 is superior because it is a semi-float. But if it never breaks, who cares? For those really upset about a c-clip axle, Superior Axle & Gear makes a great eliminator kit (Super88) that also comes with alloy shafts and widens the axle so that it matches the front a little better (8.8s are narrow compared to stock XJ axles).[/QUOTE]
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From: Issaquah, Wa
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I'm not going to get into an internet pissing match with you, but 3.73 is a very rare ratio in an XJ. 4.0/AX-15 came with 3.07 gears only, and I so rarely see 4-cylinder XJs I can't really comment from personal experience. Every reference I can find online (from Allpar to Wikipedia to NAXJA) is indicating that 3.73 only came with some rarely optioned 6-cylinder models. YMMV
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From: Griffin, G.A.
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I'm not going to get into an internet pissing match with you, but 3.73 is a very rare ratio in an XJ. 4.0/AX-15 came with 3.07 gears only, and I so rarely see 4-cylinder XJs I can't really comment from personal experience. Every reference I can find online (from Allpar to Wikipedia to NAXJA) is indicating that 3.73 only came with some rarely optioned 6-cylinder models. YMMV
as for the 3.73's though i see whats happening... YES they were rarely stuck in the 4.0 automatics... the newer models... there is one in our for sales right now with 3.73's...its got the tow package and some some other stuff... he wrecked it... lol... so yes im sure you read the 4.0's did have 3.73's in a rare models but not the cherokees themself... most of the 4 bangers were 3.73's...
im not sure where the confusion started there but it now makes sense... were both right! lol...
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From: Randoph ohio!
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
^x2 The 4.10 8.8s aren't hard to find. The biggest problem I've had is getting the JY guys to understand that I don't want the LS ones.
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The available lockers aren't compatible with the LSD. You'd have to swap out to an open carrier in order to install the locker.
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the one i owned for a parts jeep (1985) (Winston on here bought the axles from me) and the one in the jy less then a mile away (1986) are 4 bangers with automatics... both were 3.73's... another 4 banger in the junkyard is automatic and its 3.55's front and rear (maybe early 90's model)... never seen different elsewhere... all i know... and the 99 TJ 4 banger 5 speed has 4.10's down the street at the same yard... but he wants to much moneys for them... $1200 for both...


