Modified XJ Cherokee Tech XJ (84-01)
All modified tech questions. If it modifies your XJ beyond stock parts ask it here.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 01:28 AM
  #1  
tonybeirut's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: Beirut
Year: 1994 Country
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 L
Default Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?

1994 XJ 4"5 lift RC, TC drop, Schacles. front LCA...

I have a light vibration at 40 45 KMH and the garage told me that i should cut and weld the DS by 2 cm (thats what they are doing for such a problem)

Attached is some pics of my DS position (jeep rear standing on 40 cm floor, not straight)

I know i should install a SYE but in Lebanon is hard to find and if shipped from the US it costs double its price.

Any work around to fix that vibration?
Attached Thumbnails Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_074504-medium-.jpg   Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_074515-medium-.jpg   Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_074556-medium-.jpg   Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_074644-medium-.jpg   Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_074701-medium-.jpg  

Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_074711-medium-.jpg   Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_074724-medium-.jpg  
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 03:20 AM
  #2  
93_xjcherokee's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 17
Likes: 9
From: tucson
Year: 1992
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Your driveshaft doesn't look like its that bad of an angle. Have you checked your tires for balance?
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 05:11 AM
  #3  
tonybeirut's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: Beirut
Year: 1994 Country
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 L
Default

Originally Posted by 93_xjcherokee
Your driveshaft doesn't look like its that bad of an angle. Have you checked your tires for balance?
Unbalanced tires gives vibrations ? how can i check if my tires are balanced?
Attached new pics of the driveshaft with the Jeep on straight ground.
Attached Thumbnails Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_115839-medium-.jpg   Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_115916-medium-.jpg   Cut and weld Rear Drive Shaft?-20151027_115925-medium-.jpg  
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 05:53 AM
  #4  
jtm01xj's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,414
Likes: 0
From: whiting
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

You also can get some degree shims for the leaf spring if you need to change the pinion angle
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 06:05 AM
  #5  
tonybeirut's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: Beirut
Year: 1994 Country
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 L
Default

Originally Posted by jtm01xj
You also can get some degree shims for the leaf spring if you need to change the pinion angle
2-4-6 inch shims? how do i know which one to get?
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 06:23 AM
  #6  
SeriousOffroad's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 13,952
Likes: 17
Model: Cherokee
Default

Measure your angles with an angle finder.

Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 06:51 AM
  #7  
Tonis506's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
From: schenectady, NY
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

I would check tires first and measure the angles. Although it looks half way decent. Maybe pinion down a few degrees
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 07:38 AM
  #8  
cruiser54's Avatar
::CF Moderator::
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 43,971
Likes: 1,579
From: Prescott, Az
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

When's the last time you greased those u-joints?
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 10:10 AM
  #9  
salad's Avatar
Herp Derp Jerp
Premium Member
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 18,251
Likes: 17
From: Parham, ON
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L OBD-II
Default

Originally Posted by cruiser54
When's the last time you greased those u-joints?
^^^

Those U joints look original. First things first - grease 'em up. They get worn into a pattern and used outside of that tend to cause vibrations. Some new ones are probably in order.

Also look into some degree shims for the rear axle so that the pinion lies flat, parallel to the transfer case shaft. Just like in the image SeriousOffroad posted.

And another tip - to fix how poorly your Jeep rides you'll want to either get longer leaf springs or a kit that will move the shackle mounting point forward (these usually add a little bit of lift, mind you). Your rear suspension feels non-existent because the shackles point straight down instead of about 45 degrees back.
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 10:46 AM
  #10  
Fred/N0AZZ's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,554
Likes: 17
From: Monett, MO.
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Last posts right on the money and lowest in cost to do.
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 02:35 PM
  #11  
denverd1's Avatar
Seasoned Member
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 402
Likes: 2
From: East Texas
Year: 98
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by tonybeirut
2-4-6 inch shims? how do i know which one to get?
typically 1* for each inch of lift
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 02:49 PM
  #12  
Lightning_19k's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by salad
^^^

Also look into some degree shims for the rear axle so that the pinion lies flat, parallel to the transfer case shaft. Just like in the image SeriousOffroad posted.
I am running into the same kinda thing (at a little higher speeds though), where can I find degree shims and what are they? I've also seen people of this forum say that this type of problem could be caused by improperly balanced tires. How can I tell which it is?

Also, does someone have a ball park for what I could expect a shop to charge (or labor hours) to cut and weld the rear drive shaft?
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 02:53 PM
  #13  
freegdr's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 47,923
Likes: 38
From: Broward County Fl.
Year: 1989 xj sport 2dr
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 12 hole bosch Injectors
Default

Shaft looks too long also might bottom out inside slip yoke. Drop shackle do same thing as shims. Might wanna remove TC drop and test drive. Which will pull Ds out a little.

Last edited by freegdr; Oct 27, 2015 at 02:59 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 27, 2015 | 05:48 PM
  #14  
Rogue4x4's Avatar
::CF Administrator::
Premium Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 14,479
Likes: 805
From: Blunt, South Dakota
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.6 stroker
Default

Originally Posted by Lightning_19k
I am running into the same kinda thing (at a little higher speeds though), where can I find degree shims and what are they? I've also seen people of this forum say that this type of problem could be caused by improperly balanced tires. How can I tell which it is?

Also, does someone have a ball park for what I could expect a shop to charge (or labor hours) to cut and weld the rear drive shaft?
Degree shims are added to your leaf pack to change the angle of the pinion of the rear axle, to get you in the 1-3* range of both u-joints on the drive-shaft. Anything greater than 3* between the two will most likely give you vibes. Those who say "it looks fine", ignore, it may not look bad, but the numbers will tell the story. Measure properly, and adjust accordingly. As far as your tires go, take it to a tire shop, and have them tested for balance. Easy-peasy-japanesey. If your tires ARE balanced properly, eliminate them from the list. A balance of all tires should be relatively inexpensive. If your tires balance out, then check your driveshaft angles with an angle finder, they should be within 1-3* of each other.

As far as cost goes, most of us here live in the states, with a few exceptions, and even here, price varies widely. Go to several different shops and get some quotes. Also, remember, when dealing with a driveshaft, it needs to be balanced properly. You can't just cut, weld and go. Make sure they balance them as well, and you should be good to go. Hope this helps you.

Last edited by Rogue4x4; Oct 27, 2015 at 05:53 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 02:55 PM
  #15  
tonybeirut's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
From: Beirut
Year: 1994 Country
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 L
Default

Originally Posted by denverd1
typically 1* for each inch of lift
I went and installed shims then did tires balance . The sy went out a bit from its case . I have a bit of improvement on vibes but not totally gone.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:37 AM.