Rooster88

Everyone is telling me to do it right but no one has quite describes how to do it right. What are you suggesting as right?
Does the chart above cover everything?

Rooster88

So are you saying a Track bar and upper CA's are all I need?

Rooster88

I don't know anything about a hack in tap. I'll have to look it up. It looks to me that you're the first to support the idea. If you have any links for that setup they would be much appreciated

Rooster88

I could use the lower control arms that it comes with. They are short arms longer than stock. They are a bit short for a 6.5 but they should be fine with a drop bracket. I get why the TC drop bracket is useless but why would a 4.5 inch control arm be useless on a 6.5?

Rooster88

Do I need different short arms if I do a drop bracket? The kit comes with a short arm for a 4.5, I'm only going 6.5 so a drop bracket should make up the difference right?

Rooster88

Very helpful, thank you

Fred/N0AZZ

My friend if you will search here on this subject I'm sure you will find many hrs. of excellent reading on the subject and answers as to why each part is needed at 6 1/2" of lift for it to work properly.


Many like myself are to poor to buy cheap as in over and over the same item by either buying cheap (poor quality) or one not designed for the job. A full kit is never the way to go if you plan on upgrading the lift, for that all you want is an entry level kit with quality full leafs/coils you can build on.

Atmos

it should make up the difference. If you've ever looked under your jeep you'll notice the paper thin stamped steel upper control arms. I'd recommend replacing all 4 arms if you plan on any off roading. almost everyone on this forum is pretty geared toward off road and we've all been through the learning curve of what breaks and what doesn't work. we're all just trying to keep more money in your pocket and help you get it right the first time

so, are you taking this thing through the trails or just to work and back?



for any off roading at all, you'll want:

drop brackets
adjustable control arms
coil springs
complete leaf springs
shackles
shocks
brake lines
double shear track bar/ track bar brace


^^minimum

salad

A Hack'n'Tap is a type of Slip Yoke Eliminator.

As you go upwards the geometry of the front suspension and steering changes drastically. The axle moves towards the body and to the left, and stock steering is barely usable at 4.5". Lifting without proper components to put the axle where it needs to be, just a little lower, will result in severe toe and caster problems, which will make driving it a serious pain in the *** (if not dangerous, depending on skill and how big the problem actually is).

Atmos' list is the bare minimum for that height... never mind off-roading.

Read this and it will be clear:

http://files.meetup.com/4119962/Stee...ion-basics.pdf

Atmos

Yeah that was just bare minimum suspension wise. Still need the SYE, driveline, and ZJ tie rod ar LEAST

You'll be more than fine rock crawling with that suspension I listed. You'll get a good season out of it. The easiest solution is just to go 4.5" and cut your fenders. I don't know why anyone would ever want to go taller without doing it right. All hassle with zero gain

Rogue4x4

The chart is a basic list of needs. It will vary in each situation, as no two vehicles are the same. As far as what I'm suggesting is "right", it depends. What kind of wheeling do you plan on doing? What tire size are you looking to run? How much offroad will the rig see?

Right now it sounds to me like you want 6.5" because it looks cool...but, it will look wrong with 31's...so, you'll want to run 33's or 35's, both of which will require a gearing change to get the ratios as close to stock as possible, and keep you from dumping fuel into it just to go down the block, as well as ease the wear and tear on the engine and trans...the goal in modding in my opinion, is to gain performance, while maintaining the rig to relatively stock numbers.

However, once you change one thing, you need to change 3 others to get that back as close as you can. It's give and take. Pros and cons to everything you do.

Here's the bottom line, my friend...you need to educate yourself on lifts. Of all kinds. I have quoted you several times below:

All of us old timers here are trying to tell you to slow down, decide what it is you want out of your build, research what's involved, and make an informed decision. All the questions above have been asked before. The answers are all here on the site. I highly suggest you read the threads in modified, and the jeep builds section. Yes, it is a lot to take in. But guess what? It's what we did, when we were looking to upgrade. Now, it's your turn.

I get that you want to lift your rig now. With as little effort and cost as possible. But that's just not reality.

So...figure out what you want out of your ride. Research how to get it there. Research quality components. (Buy quality, cry once) Purchase parts. Install.

Or, buy the stuff you think you need, at rock bottom pricing, find out later you need more than just that, buy more stuff, find out the parts you got are giving out a year later, try to deal with warranty issues with whoever you bought the parts from, only to realize way too late, you should have done it the proper way from the get go. Your choice.

Not trying to discourage you. Just trying to help you avoid the mistakes we have all made in our times. Saving you money, time, and headaches.

Rogue4x4

lol

Atmos

Is the Obama mic drop to political? Should've gone with that lol

Rogue4x4

Yes. LOL

Besides, I have zero respect for that guy.

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