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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 12:29 PM
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Yup. I agree with this. Just get the proper sized shackles. It's not like you're going to be able to run separate height on each side. And 5" of lift via shackle. See how tiny that U portion looks. And don't get me started about a jamb nut. That nut loosens even the slightest bit, the pressure can shear those threads and its bye bye shackles.
There is no way I could believe the weld on either end would fail, and as far as them being fully adjustable is a huge plus. Almost all my heeps sag worse on one side then the other. Most aren't that bad but I have seen some that are pretty bad. I wasn't actually going to buy them either. Have the idea in my head some visual to make my own.
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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 01:04 PM
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There is no way I could believe the weld on either end would fail, and as far as them being fully adjustable is a huge plus. Almost all my heeps sag worse on one side then the other. Most aren't that bad but I have seen some that are pretty bad. I wasn't actually going to buy them either. Have the idea in my head some visual to make my own.
Not a good idea to have different sized shackles. Maybe a slight difference but eh to each his own to find out. And its not the weld I'm worried about, its the lack of any bracing on the part that connects to the leaf spring. Plus having a jamb nut worries me alot. Anyone not bright enough to constantly check the tightness of that nut will face the issue of shearing threads. That's alot of force on those threads. But again, to each his own
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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 01:52 PM
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In a previous discussion regarding Core4x4 using nuts welded onto pipe, bushings, all-thread. I recall a welder mentioning there is a strength issue with welding onto hardened steel. IDK, need a metallurgist, where is XJwonders..

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I agree that the weld looks pretty thin. This is making me think about ideas for fully adjustable shackles without removing the leaf springs though.
I only remove the one bolt when adjusting my shackles.
Take a look at these; http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/RLS.html

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I thought those had a tendency to unload on hard braking/descents? Pretty sure I remember reading that before.
Correct, and then the elbow in them reverses or inverts. They may have fixed that by now however.
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Originally Posted by SteveMongr
In a previous discussion regarding Core4x4 using nuts welded onto pipe, bushings, all-thread. I recall a welder mentioning there is a strength issue with welding onto hardened steel. IDK, need a metallurgist, where is XJwonders..


I only remove the one bolt when adjusting my shackles.
Take a look at these; http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/RLS.html


Correct, and then the elbow in them reverses or inverts. They may have fixed that by now however.
Design just looks shady too me. Idk, I would inspect them personally if someone handed em to me, but I wouldn't chance buying em
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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMongr
Correct, and then the elbow in them reverses or inverts. They may have fixed that by now however.
I ran some for over a year with no issues.
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Old Sep 27, 2015 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch
Not a good idea to have different sized shackles. Maybe a slight difference but eh to each his own to find out. And its not the weld I'm worried about, its the lack of any bracing on the part that connects to the leaf spring. Plus having a jamb nut worries me alot. Anyone not bright enough to constantly check the tightness of that nut will face the issue of shearing threads. That's alot of force on those threads. But again, to each his own
you could always tack weld the jamb nut once its all adjusted up. i guess no one has ran them or anything similar, i see the ebay listing has sold quite a few
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Old Sep 28, 2015 | 07:33 AM
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They do not look safe as many of us have told you. However if you're not going to listen, just buy them and be the Guinea pig.
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Old Sep 28, 2015 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMongr
In a previous discussion regarding Core4x4 using nuts welded onto pipe, bushings, all-thread. I recall a welder mentioning there is a strength issue with welding onto hardened steel. IDK, need a metallurgist, where is XJwonders..


I only remove the one bolt when adjusting my shackles.
Take a look at these; http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/RLS.html


Correct, and then the elbow in them reverses or inverts. They may have fixed that by now however.

**** if i knew my thread was gunna get flamed so bad i wouldnt of even asked. i was mostly asking people who HAVE used these or an adjustable kind like these. also, when control arms are made they still have a threaded sleeve thats welded into the tube? what is the difference there? once you weld the heat is still going to affect the threads
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Usually control arms have a solid tube welded directly onto bushing housing, not a nut welded to bushing then all-thread welded into nut. The joint at opposite end that threads into arm is often a forged part, no welds.

It is not the threads becoming distorted that is the issue, it has more to do with the dissimilar metals and using a hardened nut for that purpose.
Sorry you feel flamed, not my intent.
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Old Sep 28, 2015 | 11:34 PM
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Welding a nut to something that ll be used on suspension is retarded. Welding a threaded bushing to DOM tubing is acceptable.
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Old Sep 28, 2015 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMongr
Usually control arms have a solid tube welded directly onto bushing housing, not a nut welded to bushing then all-thread welded into nut. The joint at opposite end that threads into arm is often a forged part, no welds. It is not the threads becoming distorted that is the issue, it has more to do with the dissimilar metals and using a hardened nut for that purpose. Sorry you feel flamed, not my intent.
you got it, my friend. A nut welded to a bushing housing doesn't have sufficient depth of thread engagement. Especially in high tensile/compression situations, ie. Leaf packs.

A threaded bushing or a DOM tubing that was threaded is deeper and much more stronger.
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I've been running them since the beginning of summer with no issues, I've only wheeled them a few trips and a couple thousand road miles though.
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Old Sep 29, 2015 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by XJwonders
you got it, my friend. A nut welded to a bushing housing doesn't have sufficient depth of thread engagement. Especially in high tensile/compression situations, ie. Leaf packs.

A threaded bushing or a DOM tubing that was threaded is deeper and much more stronger.

that bolt is probably 1 inch or larger thats welded to that bushing. do you know how thick the nut is for that? dont bull**** me about thread engagement. i dont even need to bring up the tensile strength of a bolt that big. even AFTER you weld on it its still STRONG.
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Old Sep 29, 2015 | 03:50 PM
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Welding a nut is doing it cheap. I wouldn't trust a company who do that.
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Old Sep 29, 2015 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by XJwonders
Welding a nut is doing it cheap. I wouldn't trust a company who do that.
Just let it go. At this time just smile and wave. He's made his decision. Were just lying to him I guess.
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