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Old May 12, 2014 | 07:28 PM
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Hi everyone,

I have a 1996 XJ 4.0 with a 1.5" lift. I'm not happy with the rims & tires I currently have; since this is my daily driver and occasional outdoor toy, I'm thinking of keeping two sets of tires, one for commuting and one for the trail. With regard to tires for street use, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to get tires I like at a price I like on the stock 15" rims. So...

I've read elsewhere (but I haven't been able to find a thread on it here) that some XJ drivers have simply bought takeoff or used Patriot Latitude rims (these are 17", 5x4.5 lugs, 6.5" wide with a +40 offset). With 215/65-17 size tires, you have 28" in diameter--about the same as the stock XJ. With the lift and the offset, if I'm doing the math correctly, I don't see where any rub might happen.

Probably, but maybe not. I'd like to know if anyone's attempted this configuration successfully, because this could be a cheap solution if it works even if it would look a bit wonky.

Any guidance or correction is appreciated. Thanks.
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Old May 12, 2014 | 07:51 PM
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You could fit up to a 235/65/17 safely
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Old May 12, 2014 | 08:34 PM
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Has anyone run an IRO setup? Been interested and seen that people have run both RE or RC( not 100% sure which) and thet were happier with the IRO lift, ride and flexability. Any one know of any pros and cons on this subject?
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Old May 12, 2014 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DGA
Hi everyone,

I have a 1996 XJ 4.0 with a 1.5" lift. I'm not happy with the rims & tires I currently have; since this is my daily driver and occasional outdoor toy, I'm thinking of keeping two sets of tires, one for commuting and one for the trail. With regard to tires for street use, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to get tires I like at a price I like on the stock 15" rims. So...

I've read elsewhere (but I haven't been able to find a thread on it here) that some XJ drivers have simply bought takeoff or used Patriot Latitude rims (these are 17", 5x4.5 lugs, 6.5" wide with a +40 offset). With 215/65-17 size tires, you have 28" in diameter--about the same as the stock XJ. With the lift and the offset, if I'm doing the math correctly, I don't see where any rub might happen.

Probably, but maybe not. I'd like to know if anyone's attempted this configuration successfully, because this could be a cheap solution if it works even if it would look a bit wonky.

Any guidance or correction is appreciated. Thanks.
I used to have two sets. One cheapo set then a set of boggers. Giant pita to change them every time you go wheeling. Also storing those tires was a pain in the ***. So I just went to one set. It might not be as big of a deal to you though. Try it. If it sucks sell a set.
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Old May 12, 2014 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cracker408
Has anyone run an IRO setup? Been interested and seen that people have run both RE or RC( not 100% sure which) and thet were happier with the IRO lift, ride and flexability. Any one know of any pros and cons on this subject?
Short arm lift? No problem. Good kit and a fair price.
Critical Path long arm lift? Very mixed reviews. Lots of debate. Do your own research if you plan to go long arm.
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Old May 13, 2014 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch
This i agree. If no rocks then go lower. If rocks go higher, meaning towards 20ish.
I spend a lot of time driving the beach surf fishing up here in New England.... the National Park Service info states to go to "12 psi" on the sand.... I myself never go lower than 15 so in the event I do get stuck I can go lower. I am always conscious of the bead and refrain from turning the wheel sharp. Just my 2 cents.... and by way of disclaimer, specific to the beach and my situation running 265/75/16 Firestone Destination ATs.
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Old May 13, 2014 | 08:55 AM
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Hey yall, I am considering rebuilding my leaf packs. I know it will not be that hard, but will it work, or will my leaf spring just sag again in 6 months?
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Old May 13, 2014 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SixShooterXJCherokee
Hey yall, I am considering rebuilding my leaf packs. I know it will not be that hard, but will it work, or will my leaf spring just sag again in 6 months?
Put some s-10 leafs in the pack. They are already settled so it shouldn't sag down the road.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 08:36 AM
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Hey everyone. Getting ready to do ball joints on my 93 Cherokee sitting on 35's I just have a quick question as I am not sure what joints are in there now. Been going back and forth with the thought of stock ball joints or if I need camber/caster ball joints. Eyeballing them I cant tell what is in there. I know easy way is to just yank them out and look at them but I get a discount through work and I will tackle this on Saturday so no discount if I don't get them before hand. fyi Id say she is sitting on about 6 to 7 inches of lift. Any info is greatly appreciated.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by spy1988
Hey everyone. Getting ready to do ball joints on my 93 Cherokee sitting on 35's I just have a quick question as I am not sure what joints are in there now. Been going back and forth with the thought of stock ball joints or if I need camber/caster ball joints. Eyeballing them I cant tell what is in there. I know easy way is to just yank them out and look at them but I get a discount through work and I will tackle this on Saturday so no discount if I don't get them before hand. fyi Id say she is sitting on about 6 to 7 inches of lift. Any info is greatly appreciated.
I used hd oem replacements on mine. Im on 35s as well and dont have any issues except I rub on my lcas because I have stock wheels lol
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Old May 16, 2014 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by spy1988
Hey everyone. Getting ready to do ball joints on my 93 Cherokee sitting on 35's I just have a quick question as I am not sure what joints are in there now. Been going back and forth with the thought of stock ball joints or if I need camber/caster ball joints. Eyeballing them I cant tell what is in there. I know easy way is to just yank them out and look at them but I get a discount through work and I will tackle this on Saturday so no discount if I don't get them before hand. fyi Id say she is sitting on about 6 to 7 inches of lift. Any info is greatly appreciated.
The only other way I know is to get an alignment printout (usually free). Then compare the actual camber to the stock number. Offset ball joints will show up in the numbers.
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Old May 16, 2014 | 10:18 PM
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HOW do I get the rear leaf bolts loose (name?) so I can install my lift shackles?. I used a bunch of penetrating oil, breaker bar, nothing, they wont budge. do I need air?, heat?, heat AND air?...I'm stuck halfway through this lift job (front is DONE! yay!)
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Old May 17, 2014 | 05:43 AM
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Those bolts are some of the tightest bolts on the vehicle. .. if it's the lower shackle bolt with the nut on the other side you need to use a breaker bar and a combo wrench to hold the bolt from moving.... don't use heat because you'll melt the bushing... just use leverage and lots of strength... or call your strongest friend. .. make sure all 3 bolts on each leaf spring are not torqued all the way until you have the full weight of the truck on the springs. I used a 21mm impact socket with a breaker bar and 21mm box end of the combo wrench and got them but yeah you just gotta start a lot and give it all your strength to get those. . An impact gun won't do squat for you here.. good luck man I just did my leaf springs a few weeks ago and i was sore for a few days after because of those 3 bolts on each side lol
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Old May 17, 2014 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by A55MULL3T
HOW do I get the rear leaf bolts loose (name?) so I can install my lift shackles?. I used a bunch of penetrating oil, breaker bar, nothing, they wont budge. do I need air?, heat?, heat AND air?...I'm stuck halfway through this lift job (front is DONE! yay!)
I had to use a 6' cheater with my 1/2 Drive breaker bar. And at that I snapped the bolts off on one side. But it worked. As the other guy said you need a wrench on the other side as well.
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Old May 17, 2014 | 08:05 AM
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Today im headed out to pic-a-part and pull-a-part to round up the parts for a bastered xj lift......im hoping to gain 3"of lift this weekend... I put the old jeep on stands a couple weeks ago and 3.50 is all I think I can go without serious suspension mods... but we'll see...

I read on somewhere you could also use thunderbird coils in front.... anyone else ever herd that
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