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12-28-2009, 11:15 AM
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Ok I am all for babying both of my Veichles, the xj is my baby and the Sunbird is my DD so it has to be relaible. I have tried several things,
Z-max, is awesome improve gas milage, oil pressure, quiet engine, etc.
Down side: its out ragiously exspensive when you add to the fact that I use synthetic Oil in the Jeep and semi-synthetic in the car so thats $50 oil changes on the Jeep and $30 on the car. Plus the Z-max which is $30 for one veichle.
I love Marvel mystrey oil for everytime I fill up the Jeep, it is $4 a bottle and I do notice the difference in gas miliage between using it and not. How ever I did try it in the engine and I noticed no difference
I just tried Restore, and I do have to say, that I have never ever used a product in any veichle that I have ever owned that has given me imediate results. I have never heard my engine so quiet before and the oil pressure return to normal so quickly. I was so impressed that I wanted to tell y'all about it. Oh and another perk, $9 for a 6 cyclinder veichle.
Z-max, is awesome improve gas milage, oil pressure, quiet engine, etc.
Down side: its out ragiously exspensive when you add to the fact that I use synthetic Oil in the Jeep and semi-synthetic in the car so thats $50 oil changes on the Jeep and $30 on the car. Plus the Z-max which is $30 for one veichle.
I love Marvel mystrey oil for everytime I fill up the Jeep, it is $4 a bottle and I do notice the difference in gas miliage between using it and not. How ever I did try it in the engine and I noticed no difference
I just tried Restore, and I do have to say, that I have never ever used a product in any veichle that I have ever owned that has given me imediate results. I have never heard my engine so quiet before and the oil pressure return to normal so quickly. I was so impressed that I wanted to tell y'all about it. Oh and another perk, $9 for a 6 cyclinder veichle.
12-28-2009, 11:41 AM
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It's the long term results with running any of the products listed that worries me. Most of them remove the commonly occuring deposits that are harmlessly resting on the sides of oil passages, valve cover and so on, and breaks them free thus sending them through your bearings and so on creating score marks on them and lowering the life.
So you run that Marvel Mystery oil in your gas tank? Or where?
Mike
So you run that Marvel Mystery oil in your gas tank? Or where?
Mike
12-30-2009, 12:46 AM
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http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/snake_oil.txt
Detergents And Solvents
Many of the older, better-known oil treatments on the market do
not make claims nearly so lavish as the new upstarts. Old standbys
like Bardahl, Rislone and Marvel Mystery Oil, instead offer things
like "quieter lifters," "reduced oil burning" and a "cleaner
engine."
Most of these products are made up of solvents and detergents
designed to dissolve sludge and carbon deposits inside your engine so
they can be flushed or burned out. Wynn's Friction Proofing Oil, for
example, is 83 percent kerosene. Other brands use naphthalene,
xylene, acetone and isopropanol. Usually, these ingredients will be
found in a base of standard mineral oil.
In general, these products are designed to do just the opposite
of what the PTFE and zinc phosphate additives claim to do. Instead of
leaving behind a "coating" or a "plating" on your engine surfaces,
they are designed to strip away such things.
All of these products will strip sludge and deposits out and
clean up your engine, particularly if it is an older, abused one. The
problem is, unless you have some way of determining just how much is
needed to remove your deposits without going any further, such
solvents also can strip away the boundary lubrication layer provided
by your oil. Overuse of solvents is an easy trap to fall into, and
one which can promote harmful metal-to-metal contact within your
engine.
As a general rule of thumb these products had their place and
were at least moderately useful on older automobile and motorcycle
engines of the Fifties and Sixties, but are basically unneeded on the
more efficient engine designs of the past two decades.
Many of the older, better-known oil treatments on the market do
not make claims nearly so lavish as the new upstarts. Old standbys
like Bardahl, Rislone and Marvel Mystery Oil, instead offer things
like "quieter lifters," "reduced oil burning" and a "cleaner
engine."
Most of these products are made up of solvents and detergents
designed to dissolve sludge and carbon deposits inside your engine so
they can be flushed or burned out. Wynn's Friction Proofing Oil, for
example, is 83 percent kerosene. Other brands use naphthalene,
xylene, acetone and isopropanol. Usually, these ingredients will be
found in a base of standard mineral oil.
In general, these products are designed to do just the opposite
of what the PTFE and zinc phosphate additives claim to do. Instead of
leaving behind a "coating" or a "plating" on your engine surfaces,
they are designed to strip away such things.
All of these products will strip sludge and deposits out and
clean up your engine, particularly if it is an older, abused one. The
problem is, unless you have some way of determining just how much is
needed to remove your deposits without going any further, such
solvents also can strip away the boundary lubrication layer provided
by your oil. Overuse of solvents is an easy trap to fall into, and
one which can promote harmful metal-to-metal contact within your
engine.
As a general rule of thumb these products had their place and
were at least moderately useful on older automobile and motorcycle
engines of the Fifties and Sixties, but are basically unneeded on the
more efficient engine designs of the past two decades.
12-30-2009, 06:47 AM
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YAY ME!
lol your one of "THOSE" guys
you just met me I will let it slide
Detergents And Solvents
Many of the older, better-known oil treatments on the market do
not make claims nearly so lavish as the new upstarts. Old standbys
like Bardahl, Rislone and Marvel Mystery Oil, instead offer things
like "quieter lifters," "reduced oil burning" and a "cleaner
engine."
Most of these products are made up of solvents and detergents
designed to dissolve sludge and carbon deposits inside your engine so
they can be flushed or burned out. Wynn's Friction Proofing Oil, for
example, is 83 percent kerosene. Other brands use naphthalene,
xylene, acetone and isopropanol. Usually, these ingredients will be
found in a base of standard mineral oil.
In general, these products are designed to do just the opposite
of what the PTFE and zinc phosphate additives claim to do. Instead of
leaving behind a "coating" or a "plating" on your engine surfaces,
they are designed to strip away such things.
All of these products will strip sludge and deposits out and
clean up your engine, particularly if it is an older, abused one. The
problem is, unless you have some way of determining just how much is
needed to remove your deposits without going any further, such
solvents also can strip away the boundary lubrication layer provided
by your oil. Overuse of solvents is an easy trap to fall into, and
one which can promote harmful metal-to-metal contact within your
engine.
As a general rule of thumb these products had their place and
were at least moderately useful on older automobile and motorcycle
engines of the Fifties and Sixties, but are basically unneeded on the
more efficient engine designs of the past two decades.
Many of the older, better-known oil treatments on the market do
not make claims nearly so lavish as the new upstarts. Old standbys
like Bardahl, Rislone and Marvel Mystery Oil, instead offer things
like "quieter lifters," "reduced oil burning" and a "cleaner
engine."
Most of these products are made up of solvents and detergents
designed to dissolve sludge and carbon deposits inside your engine so
they can be flushed or burned out. Wynn's Friction Proofing Oil, for
example, is 83 percent kerosene. Other brands use naphthalene,
xylene, acetone and isopropanol. Usually, these ingredients will be
found in a base of standard mineral oil.
In general, these products are designed to do just the opposite
of what the PTFE and zinc phosphate additives claim to do. Instead of
leaving behind a "coating" or a "plating" on your engine surfaces,
they are designed to strip away such things.
All of these products will strip sludge and deposits out and
clean up your engine, particularly if it is an older, abused one. The
problem is, unless you have some way of determining just how much is
needed to remove your deposits without going any further, such
solvents also can strip away the boundary lubrication layer provided
by your oil. Overuse of solvents is an easy trap to fall into, and
one which can promote harmful metal-to-metal contact within your
engine.
As a general rule of thumb these products had their place and
were at least moderately useful on older automobile and motorcycle
engines of the Fifties and Sixties, but are basically unneeded on the
more efficient engine designs of the past two decades.
Detergents are in all Automotive oil now (per EPA), if you want a oil with less detergent, or no detergents, you will find it in a import motorcycle shop. (only some harley dealers sell it) However it is illegal to use motorcycle oil in Cars. They still are allowed to make a oil with this little amount of detergents for motorsports and only motorsports. Motorcycles, Dirt bikes, Quads etc. have a "wet" clutch, in which the clutch is completely summerged by oil and detergents actually cause pre-mature wear to the clutch, and do not allow them to have friction, and the best part is, the detergents prevent friction.
So to sum it up, its in there no matter what you do! Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.........(and more evil laughter)
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12-30-2009, 09:24 AM
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100 percent spelling is not a must. Most of the time, spelling in a post is not an issue. Now if 1/2 the words are spelled incorrectly, that is a problem.
Grammar, I can usually get around also ... unless it looks like jibberish.
This place in my opinion is starting to get a little **** about spelling and grammar. This is not english class, and not all of us scored a 30+ on the ACT.
If you can't spell, and your question looks like jibberish ... then you're in trouble.
plz fine sumpin elz 2 cumpane a bowt.....
Grammar, I can usually get around also ... unless it looks like jibberish.
This place in my opinion is starting to get a little **** about spelling and grammar. This is not english class, and not all of us scored a 30+ on the ACT.
If you can't spell, and your question looks like jibberish ... then you're in trouble.
plz fine sumpin elz 2 cumpane a bowt.....
12-30-2009, 11:50 AM
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www.math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/snake_oil.txt
You need to read the whole paper Gearheadette.
Where's your data to back up your claims. Real data not anecdotal jibberish off forums with people believing in the snake oils. Like... what is your mpg increase when you use Marvel Mystery Oil? Saying "I've noticed a difference" is no way to report data.
This is great... Out of the link above.
The Psychological Placebo
You have to wonder, with the volume of evidence accumulating against
oil additives, why so many of us still buy them. That's the
million-dollar question, and it's just as difficult to answer as why
so many of us smoke cigarettes, drink hard liquor or engage in any
other number of questionable activities. We know they aren't good for
us - but we go ahead and do them anyway.
Part of the answer may lie in what some psychiatrists call the
"psychological placebo effect." Simply put, that means that many of
us hunger for that peace of mind that comes with believing we have
purchased the absolute best or most protection we can possibly get.
Even better, there's that wonderfully smug feeling that comes
with thinking we might be a step ahead of the pack, possessing
knowledge of something just a bit better than everyone else.
Then again, perhaps it comes from an ancient, deep-seated need
we all seem to have to believe in magic. There has never been any
shortage of unscrupulous types ready to cash in on our willingness to
believe that there's some magical mystery potion we can buy to help
us lose weight, grow hair, attract the opposite sex or make our
engines run longer and better. I doubt that there's a one of us who
hasn't fallen for one of these at least once in our lifetimes. We
just want it to be true so bad that we can't help ourselves.
You need to read the whole paper Gearheadette.
Where's your data to back up your claims. Real data not anecdotal jibberish off forums with people believing in the snake oils. Like... what is your mpg increase when you use Marvel Mystery Oil? Saying "I've noticed a difference" is no way to report data.
This is great... Out of the link above.
The Psychological Placebo
You have to wonder, with the volume of evidence accumulating against
oil additives, why so many of us still buy them. That's the
million-dollar question, and it's just as difficult to answer as why
so many of us smoke cigarettes, drink hard liquor or engage in any
other number of questionable activities. We know they aren't good for
us - but we go ahead and do them anyway.
Part of the answer may lie in what some psychiatrists call the
"psychological placebo effect." Simply put, that means that many of
us hunger for that peace of mind that comes with believing we have
purchased the absolute best or most protection we can possibly get.
Even better, there's that wonderfully smug feeling that comes
with thinking we might be a step ahead of the pack, possessing
knowledge of something just a bit better than everyone else.
Then again, perhaps it comes from an ancient, deep-seated need
we all seem to have to believe in magic. There has never been any
shortage of unscrupulous types ready to cash in on our willingness to
believe that there's some magical mystery potion we can buy to help
us lose weight, grow hair, attract the opposite sex or make our
engines run longer and better. I doubt that there's a one of us who
hasn't fallen for one of these at least once in our lifetimes. We
just want it to be true so bad that we can't help ourselves.
12-30-2009, 07:32 PM
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Look I have let this drag out long enough, you oviously dont get hints, so I am just going to state the obvious rhetorical question at hand.........
Why are you agreeing with me argumentatively?
Why are you agreeing with me argumentatively?
12-30-2009, 07:35 PM
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Ok, let me rephrase that so you understand what I am saying. I said I didnt like marvel Mystery oil, and that it didnt work.
And you come on here arguing to me, why it doesn't work, this is irritating me because your not seeing what your doing.
And you come on here arguing to me, why it doesn't work, this is irritating me because your not seeing what your doing.
12-30-2009, 07:38 PM
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Basicly your being a jerk for no reason, because the point of this thread was to say that I like restore, it works awesome, i dont like marvel, it dont work that great.
Does that make it clearer for you?
Does that make it clearer for you?
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