same thing that we do with honda's, build a block, it cost around 900 bucks, get a turbo setup, run e85 and its possible to make 4-500+ hp and e85 straight from the pump is cheaper then gas and higher octane...

now the government mixing it with gas is kinda b/s because like people already saying that most cars aren't designed to work with it its gonna mess them up which i don't agree with, but i don't even know what stations i can go to anymore that doesn't have it already mixed, everywhere i go it says on the pump that it may contain "some" ethanol

 

Except with a DSM you don't have to build the block, you don't have to buy a turbo setup, and you don't have to run E85 to make ~500hp. You just gotta know how to tune (SAFCII for $100)!

 

And how to fix cars....daily.

Heard this from a couple dsm owners. I work 5 days a week so i can fix my dsm on the weekend.

 

DSMs are similar to Jeeps in a certain respect. They are super easy and fun to modify so tons of people scoop them up and think they can do whatever they want. Half the mods get hacked together, done with no research, and no real automotive knowledge. So of course their crap breaks. Who do they blame? The car.

Now, if done right, for example my 93 GSX, they can be reliable daily drivers that are a blast to drive. Not to mention with AWD they can be a BLAST in the winter.

My biggest reliability issue was always my 3' long, 2' high, and 3" thick intercooler. Hitting 35psi by 2500 RPM and settling down to 31psi by 3300 rpm was stressing the welds on my end tanks, causing them to split down the center. Changing out said intercooler takes 7 bolts and 2 clamps, and takes about 10 min. But then again, it was also a toy as much as it was a DD, so you have to expect some issues. Just like Jeeps. Everything has its quirks.

A coworker had a 92 Talon TSi, completely stock. Drove it on the daily, had close to 200k on it, and a ball joint failed. Got one from a parts store, it failed in a week. That was his biggest complaint. And that was more on the parts store than the car.

I spose some are lemons, but I promise its all due to PO garbage, just like we find on our Jeeps. Kinda sad.

 

I put the link in an earlier post...but here it is again:

http://www.agmrc.org/renewable_energ...t_mandates.cfm

Written by:

Robert Wisner
Professor of Economics and Energy Economist
Ag Marketing Resources Center
Iowa State University
rwwisner@iastate.edu

His email is there if you want to ask him what his article really means.

Politics are the reason Wisner even WROTE this. If it were not for politicians, ethanol would be made in small quanities to satisfy the hotrod community that likes to experiment with fuels.

I don't mean to belabor this but when the day is done, this is what it is about: You pay 70 cents a gallon in tax. If you mix 15% ethanol into gas, mileage goes down by 15%...and you buy 15% more gallons of gas and government collects 70 cents a gallon on every drop. At the rate we burn gas, that is tens or hundreds of billions of dollars every year in extra "revenue". To you and me, their revenue is our "tax".

Ask yourself how Harry Reid amassed $100M fortune - he is the richest man in the Senate - and for all but three years of his entire LIFE he worked for the government as an elected official or an official appointed by and elected official. And for those three years, he was a schmuck lawyer in Las Vegas doing divorce work or something. How do you make $100M working for the government? You know how.

Go look on his website...if they have not taken his resume down by now...because he just got hammered in a debate last night and Rush Limbaugh announced his resume today on the radio. I'll bet ten bucks that resume is gone by the time you read this.

 

 

I must of missed it. :/ on my phone at work. but thanks and I agree with you!! Just wanted some links to read.

 

That is some seriously messed up stuff, man. Seriously messed up.

And some wonder why this country went to ****.

 

no pun intended but crankwalk i heard is a major dsm issue honda dont have that lol...

my last setup was a 95 civic stock motor ebay 900 dollar turbo setup i got it tuned it made 237whp stock makes 127crank hp and it was a low 13 second car, not fast by any means but i had alot of fun with it but i had 2600 all in that whole setup including car

 

Yep, everyone has heard about crankwalk, but does anyone know anything about it?

Only certain 2g years, mostly N/T cars, and its easy to deal with.

Any car can walk a crank, even the precious Honduh.

An upgraded turbo for the Mitsu will cost $500, but not needed. 12 seconds can easily be squeezed out of a stocker 1g with free mods on a 14b. You can't beat that with any Honduh, period.

I've seen DSMs that have cost my friends $1000, free mods, some fluid changes, and your rolling a 12 second car. For ~$1000.

 

yea for sure.. ive never gotten to race an eclipse everyone around my town is slow or stock, ive raced a bunch of evo's and im not impressed for crap, my turbo honda would beat evo's with no problem, i raced a cammed evo and beat it by 3 cars...

but i have known people with talon's that were super quick but not around my area i watched a awd talon race some modded mustang it was funny when they dropped their arms the talon jumped the intersection before the mustang even moved an inch i started laughing my *** off at the mustang

 

Yeah sounds like a rumor..

My factory manual says running %10 ethanol is fine, but it may affect starting, drivability and fuel economy. A %5 increase isn't much and I doubt it would be noticeable. Here in Washington all we get is %10 ethonal and it doesn't hurt anything and I think it seems to helps with cold weather starting. When the state required gasoline to have %10 ethonal, they said it helps with smog by reducing nitric oxides. If its a government conspiracy, its a good one, because smog levels have gone way down here since it was started.

 

No... No its not. E 85 means that the Fuel is 85% gasoline and 15% Ethanol blend. there are not myny cars that would run half decent on 85% ethanol. Ethanol is a sustainable fuel, but it only provides 2/3 the BTU's of gasoline. Imagine if you lost 1/3 of the BTU's for 85% of your gas...

its 85% Gasoline

15% ethanol

Im not satisfied with losing 1/3 BTU's of 15% of my tank so I add octane boot. it removes all of the knocks and it runs so clean with octane boost

 

It should not burn hotter, like I stated above... nowdays, 15% of the gas (ethanol blend) has 2/3 of the BTU's that would have been before with 100% gasoline. it doesnt make sense that it would burn hotter rite?

 

Can you people not read? Do you not Comprehend? How many times does it have to be mentioned?
E85 does NOT burn hotter. It has less BTUs (thermal energy) than gasoline, it burns COOLER than gasoline, It is less efficient than gasoline, It is more expensive to make, It pulls humidity out of the air and contaminates the fuel, it is BAD stuff.

The reason it is used in forced induction is because it burns cooler, The ethanol evaporates in the hot runners and cools the intake charge. It is around 106 octane and resists detonation. This is the only reason they use it.

More octane is NOT good in our engines....