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View Poll Results: Which would you do?
Rebuild the old 4.0 into a rip snorting 4.6, 4.7, or even 4.9 stroker.
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Yank the old stuff, and swap in a tried and true V8 power plant (any manufacturer).
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 1991Jeep_Man
So wait... I thought earlier XJ's had a gm v-6 in them?

So that means they weren't Jeeps?
That was a GM v6, this AMC 4.0 liter was a true and tried real Jeep engine, it one of the main reasons the XJ is what it came to be, if it kept the 2.8 it would have floundered much earlier in it's lifetime.
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by emptypockets
You're right! Everyone should swap back in their D30/35 combos because dammit, a D60 under a Jeep isn't right. It's nice to beat the Jeep drum, but just because something came factory doesn't mean it's the best option. And you are aware that the Cherokee was made by AMC... the company that would source parts whenever it could.
The engine is the heart/mind of our cars.... Suspension is like ligaments.... If a loved one had an amputation and replacement, then we wouldn't care, what matters is they still are the same person.
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:08 PM
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Straight from the Novak website, and I agree 100%. Swapping a v8 or different manufacturer engine does not make a Jeep any less of a Jeep. I plan to swap a 4bt Cummins in a Jeep Comanche when I get the chance, and that MJ will still proudly sport the Jeep badges.

7. "I'd like to install a Jeep / AMC engine so that it is consistently all Jeep parts."
Ok. If you are really going to stick to this conjured rule, then you will need to ditch these factory supplied components:

GM

Hydramatic transmissions
Buick engines
Chevrolet engines
Saginaw power steering
Steering columns


Ford

Starters
Ignition systems
Warner transmissions
Tremec transmissions


Chrysler

Torqueflite transmissions


Renault

Renix EFI control systems


Good luck with that.
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 1991Jeep_Man
Straight from the Novak website, and I agree 100%. Swapping a v8 or different manufacturer engine does not make a Jeep any less of a Jeep.

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Well then taking the straight six out of a Supra and swapping in a v6 or 4 cylinder engine does not make a Supra any less of a Supra.

Well then taking the straight six out of a R34 Skyline and swapping in a v6 or 4 cylinder engine does not make a Skyline any less of a Skyline.

Well then taking the V8 out of a Mustang GT and swapping in a 4 cylinder engine does not make a Mustang any less of a Mustang. -WHICH was proven WRONG by the Mustang II

Well then taking the pushrod V8 out of a Corvette and swapping in a 4 cylinder engine does not make a Corvette any less of a Corvette.

Well then taking the V12 out of a Ferrari and swapping in a small block V8 does not make a Ferrari any less of a Ferrari.

Well then making BMW's fwd does not make them any less of a BMW.



Well then making the Jeep Wrangler fwd only with IFS and a turbo Fiat 3 cylinder doesn't make it any less of a Jeep.


-The Inline 6 is a Jeep Cherokee hallmark, it's part of what makes the whole Jeep(XJ) experience unique and unlike any other SUV. It's like how VTEC makes Honda's special in their own way.

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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by XJeep99Classic
Well then taking the straight six out of a Supra and swapping in a v6 or 4 cylinder engine does not make a Supra any less of a Supra.

Well then taking the straight six out of a R34 Skyline and swapping in a v6 or 4 cylinder engine does not make a Skyline any less of a Skyline.

Well then taking the V8 out of a Mustang GT and swapping in a 4 cylinder engine does not make a Mustang any less of a Mustang. -WHICH was proven WRONG by the Mustang II

Well then taking the pushrod V8 out of a Corvette and swapping in a 4 cylinder engine does not make a Corvette any less of a Corvette.

Well then taking the V12 out of a Ferrari and swapping in a small block V8 does not make a Ferrari any less of a Ferrari.

Well then making BMW's fwd does not make them any less of a BMW.



Well then making the Jeep Wrangler fwd only with IFS and a turbo Fiat 3 cylinder doesn't make it any less of a Jeep.


-The Inline 6 is a Jeep Cherokee hallmark, it's part of what makes the whole Jeep(XJ) experience unique and unlike any other SUV. It's like how VTEC makes Honda's special in their own way.
I'm not gonna continue trying to prove a point here. Go ahead and ask all of the guys who have swapped v8's into their XJ's if their experience was lacking in anyway. Ask a bunch of those guys on NAXJA. The XJ experience seems to only get BETTER with the use of a V8, or even a stroker. None of those guys sits in their XJ and says "Well this lost it's luster." And btw, in regards to your examples above, those are all DOWNGRADES (and ignorant ones at that if anyone were to actually do them [hence why the Mustang II was a failure]), which would ruin the experience and pure essence of ANY vehicle.
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 1991Jeep_Man
Edit: From the sound of it, you've also had a good amount of dealings with these engines. If so, could I ask a question or two?
I claim to be no expert, but feel free to try me.
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by emptypockets
I claim to be no expert, but feel free to try me.
The biggest concern I have is height. I know guys who run the 5.3L vortecs must have cowl hoods for clearance of the intake and accesories. Since the 5.7 Vortec L31 shares it's basic design with the Gen I SBC, is it safe to say the intake and accesories aren't as tall as the 5.3 setup?
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 1991Jeep_Man
XJ experience seems to only get BETTER with the use of a stroker.
Hence why I was backing up the stroker choice. I plan on doing 4.9 stroker while my buddy plans on doing 302 swap and I have to prove that I made the better choice now, haha.... it was all for fun.

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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 1991Jeep_Man
The biggest concern I have is height. I know guys who run the 5.3L vortecs must have cowl hoods for clearance of the intake and accesories. Since the 5.7 Vortec L31 shares it's basic design with the Gen I SBC, is it safe to say the intake and accesories aren't as tall as the 5.3 setup?
LOL, well I can say with all honesty that I don't know. I drive mostly mid 80's and earlier junk and I don't usually mess with newer stuff (I guess 'newer' is relative). I know that the 5.3s have those notoriously tall accessory brackets. I can't say if the overall height is taller or not from Gen I to the 5.7. I'd imagine you could look into swapping brackets to something off a Vette or Camaro? I'm sure it's not as simple as that, because it usually never is.
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 07:23 PM
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Vortec V8
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SeriousOffroad
Vortec V8
Haha, Frank I can honestly say I've been waiting for your input in this thread.
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 07:38 PM
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I voted for keeping the 4.0 or doing a 4.0l based motor. Honestly one of the biggest reasons I bought a Cherokee is the fact that it has a 4.0 in it . If anything I would do something like a 4bt Cummings . A Cummings cherokee would be bad ***
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Old Jan 5, 2012 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by XJeep99Classic
But if you take the Jeep Inline 6 out of it you might as well take the Jeep badge off too.... That's like taking the heart of someone you love and putting someone else's heart back in, it's just somehow not right.
I already took all the Jeep badges off. So I guess mine isn't a Jeep anymore anyway. It's more like taking the heart out of someone you like, and putting in a much better heart out of someone you love.
Originally Posted by XJeep99Classic
Hence why I was backing up the stroker choice. I plan on doing 4.9 stroker while my buddy plans on doing 302 swap and I have to prove that I made the better choice now, haha.... it was all for fun.
You didn't make the better choice. Not even remotely close. Sorry.
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Old Jan 5, 2012 | 08:55 AM
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i've said it before...

I wasted copious amounts on building a bomb-proof stroker, and I sated even more money rebuilding it multiple times.

Building a stroker for HP and Tq is a great plan, but don't be surprised if reliablity is sorely lacking.

A Vortec motor was the perfect swap for me.
Tons of aftermarket support.
Proven reliability.
Incredible gains in HP with a simple re-tune of the PCM (not possible with a Jeep PCM).
A very meager 10 pound weight increase.
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Old Jan 5, 2012 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SeriousOffroad
Vortec V8
the other two toys I play with....
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guess my vote lol
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