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Old Nov 12, 2010 | 09:13 AM
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Big big difference. The xj was an amc design with solid axles, a JEEP inline 6 (in most). And the most important principle that made jeeps so durable and capable... K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid). I don't need time to tell me that I can't count on an all wheel drive luxury chrysler Minivan as much as we can count on our cherokees and wranglers.
Old Nov 12, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dougfrompa
That is a horrible picture of the GC. My sisters farther in law has the new srt8 and that thing is bad a$$. Dont just go by one pic. Wait till you see it on the road. IMO they look great.
yeah I admit it looks pretty cool but it's a little too "baller" in my opinion. Jeep is getting soft (along with everyone else). Cars are getting too comfy. I like my classic lines with sharp corners and the bare necessities (including cupholders )
Old Nov 12, 2010 | 08:42 PM
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Big big difference... I don't need time to tell me that I can't count on an all wheel drive luxury chrysler Minivan as much as we can count on our cherokees and wranglers.
I have to admit, the new GC looks like a minivan to me. And the fact it is really not different than the Dodge version in overall appearance is a pretty damning indictment.
Old Nov 12, 2010 | 10:26 PM
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the new v6 chrystler built is going in these first

3xx hp in a 3.7l...


(2001 was the last good year for jeep)
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Donnie_K
Big big difference. The xj was an amc design with solid axles, a JEEP inline 6 (in most). And the most important principle that made jeeps so durable and capable... K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid). I don't need time to tell me that I can't count on an all wheel drive luxury chrysler Minivan as much as we can count on our cherokees and wranglers.
You do realize that the only two engines originally available in the XJ were the GM 2.8L V6 and the carb'd 2.5L 4cyl right?
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 02:00 AM
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You do realize that the only two engines originally available in the XJ were the GM 2.8L V6 and the carb'd 2.5L 4cyl right?
And you do realize that those were still closer to rugged, capable, and less like a luxury minivan than the new grand cherokee right? Even though the only one i spent my money on was a 4.0 and not a 2.8 or 2.5. Though I would take those over a minivan any day when it comes to JEEPING.
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 02:12 AM
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You guys are out of control. When ANY of you design or build something better than the new grand cherokee, go ahead and talk **** about what they're building. Considering the state of our economy and the fact that an increasing number of american jobs are being outsourced overseas, you'd figure that more people on this site would be proud of a product that is still built here in the USA. I hope everyone here realizes there is almost no market for a solid axle 4x4 anymore and those few who are in the market are going to buy wranglers. Plain and simple, if Jeep were to build a modern XJ with solid axles it wouldn't sell, and some foreign company would happily build a product to take the position the new GC currently occupies.

That is all, anything else I have to say would get me in trouble.
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Donnie_K
And you do realize that those were still closer to rugged, capable, and less like a luxury minivan than the new grand cherokee right? Even though the only one i spent my money on was a 4.0 and not a 2.8 or 2.5. Though I would take those over a minivan any day when it comes to JEEPING.
Do you realize that its not the 80's anymore? They cant keep making everything the same. New and improved vehicles have to be made. It would be stupid not too. But Im sure you are still using a commodore 64 and a black and white tv.

Originally Posted by ZachsXJ
You guys are out of control. When ANY of you design or build something better than the new grand cherokee, go ahead and talk **** about what they're building. Considering the state of our economy and the fact that an increasing number of american jobs are being outsourced overseas, you'd figure that more people on this site would be proud of a product that is still built here in the USA. I hope everyone here realizes there is almost no market for a solid axle 4x4 anymore and those few who are in the market are going to buy wranglers. Plain and simple, if Jeep were to build a modern XJ with solid axles it wouldn't sell, and some foreign company would happily build a product to take the position the new GC currently occupies.

That is all, anything else I have to say would get me in trouble.
+1 I never been on a forum that hate so much hate for the same maker.
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 07:29 AM
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not liking it - but if thats all there is now - what are you going to do?
I'll keep driving my xj untill it dies or I do!
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 08:30 AM
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Lol, wow, someone is starting to sound like cash for clunkers. We got the president posting or what? "Boost the american economy, trade your go anywhere never die vehicle for a superior new jeep minivan!"

Lol, sorry, I'm really not trying to be a jerk, but that really cracked me up.

As far as the off comment post, my computer is only slightly outdated. I built it a few years ago, it's time to build a new one. It's a water cooled e6600 overclocked to 3.2ghz on an evga 780i board with 4 gig of corsair ram, a thermaltake 850 toughpower powersupply, an BFG ocx GTX280, Sound blaster X-fi fata1ity championship edition with 7.1 speakers in a thermaltake armor sli edition case, with two WD 250 gig hard drives in Raid 0 and a 500 gig storage drive. Guess that is pretty close to a commodore 64 huh?

Again, Guys, I'm not trying to be a jerk. But I'm a mechanic, It's what I do for a living. I know how these newer vehicles are built. The new GC is a great vehicle for the wife to take the kids to soccer practice in. And even for the husbands that wanna say "yep, this thing's got a hemi (SRT8)". But to do anything jeep in? nah... it's just a badge. Sorry fellas.

@DestinationXJ - It's not the same designer, that's for sure.

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Old Nov 13, 2010 | 08:49 AM
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I can't help but laugh at how much butthurt some of you are experiencing because some people aren't fans of the latest Jeep Grand Cherokee. The idea that I have to drink the Jeep kool-aid and mindlessly revere anything that's put out with the name "Jeep" on it is a complete joke.

IMO, the modern Jeep company has lost its way, and Chrysler is mostly cashing in on the brand name to stay afloat. The Compass and the Patriot are two of the worst examples of this in their lineup. Even Chrysler realizes it at this point -- that's why both are being discontinued by 2012.

If you like the new Grand Cherokee, consider buying one. If you don't, don't buy one.

I like rugged, simple vehicles. For me, that's my XJ. You know what complexity brings? More stuff to go wrong as it gets older.
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 09:01 AM
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I will drive my XJ !!!!
my wife..... wants the new GC
IMO I like it! its not for me its for her and the 2 little boys in the back!
I would NEVER think about giving up my XJ for it but like others have said there is a market for the new GC and it will sell and keep Jeep alive and sit next to my XJ in the driveway.
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Spunkmeyer
I can't help but laugh at how much butthurt some of you are experiencing because some people aren't fans of the latest Jeep Grand Cherokee. The idea that I have to drink the Jeep kool-aid and mindlessly revere anything that's put out with the name "Jeep" on it is a complete joke.

IMO, the modern Jeep company has lost its way, and Chrysler is mostly cashing in on the brand name to stay afloat. The Compass and the Patriot are two of the worst examples of this in their lineup. Even Chrysler realizes it at this point -- that's why both are being discontinued by 2012.

If you like the new Grand Cherokee, consider buying one. If you don't, don't buy one.

I like rugged, simple vehicles. For me, that's my XJ. You know what complexity brings? More stuff to go wrong as it gets older.
Exactly! Great post!
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 10:47 AM
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Honestly I like it, besides how can you hate if you can get it with a HEMI? Where can you go wrong with jeep ingenuity and a HEMI? And personally i like this sema adition to, the red accents seem alittle out of place but i really like it.
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Old Nov 13, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Spunkmeyer
I can't help but laugh at how much butthurt some of you are experiencing because some people aren't fans of the latest Jeep Grand Cherokee. The idea that I have to drink the Jeep kool-aid and mindlessly revere anything that's put out with the name "Jeep" on it is a complete joke.

IMO, the modern Jeep company has lost its way, and Chrysler is mostly cashing in on the brand name to stay afloat. The Compass and the Patriot are two of the worst examples of this in their lineup. Even Chrysler realizes it at this point -- that's why both are being discontinued by 2012.

If you like the new Grand Cherokee, consider buying one. If you don't, don't buy one.

I like rugged, simple vehicles. For me, that's my XJ. You know what complexity brings? More stuff to go wrong as it gets older.
Butt hurt? AHAHAHAHA. Thats the oldest one in the book, better luck next time.

I would never buy one of the new GCs, its just not my type of vehicle. However Chrysler is obviously doing something right if there is so much press about it and people talking about it all over the web. The Compass and Patriot NEVER should have been built or designed. Jeep should've kept it simple; wrangler, Liberty(to replace the XJ) and the GC. The commander is a pretty decent vehicle too, and kinda reminds me of an FSJ.

Originally Posted by Donnie_K
Lol, wow, someone is starting to sound like cash for clunkers. We got the president posting or what? "Boost the american economy, trade your go anywhere never die vehicle for a superior new jeep minivan!"

Lol, sorry, I'm really not trying to be a jerk, but that really cracked me up.

As far as the off comment post, my computer is only slightly outdated. I built it a few years ago, it's time to build a new one. It's a water cooled e6600 overclocked to 3.2ghz on an evga 780i board with 4 gig of corsair ram, a thermaltake 850 toughpower powersupply, an BFG ocx GTX280, Sound blaster X-fi fata1ity championship edition with 7.1 speakers in a thermaltake armor sli edition case, with two WD 250 gig hard drives in Raid 0 and a 500 gig storage drive. Guess that is pretty close to a commodore 64 huh?

Again, Guys, I'm not trying to be a jerk. But I'm a mechanic, It's what I do for a living. I know how these newer vehicles are built. The new GC is a great vehicle for the wife to take the kids to soccer practice in. And even for the husbands that wanna say "yep, this thing's got a hemi (SRT8)". But to do anything jeep in? nah... it's just a badge. Sorry fellas.

@DestinationXJ - It's not the same designer, that's for sure.
I never said anyone should trade in their old vehicle for a new GC, however if I were in the market for a brand new vehicle, you'd sure as hell better believe I'm gonna buy American.

BTW, Nobody cares about what type of POS computer you have, it was outdated 6 months after you built it.

The main point here is: Regardless of whether you like the new GC or not, its still built here in America, meaning that a good portion of the money spent on one goes back into OUR economy. If you don't like it, get off your ***, go get a job at Chrysler as a design engineer and come up with something better. Till then STFU, and go bash a foreign car maker.

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