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Old Feb 19, 2011 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherryokee
Hey Caish! You can color me stoopid if you want to but please riddle me this: What is "OTB", as in "another OTB thread"?
OTB=
Oil
Tire
Battery
It never ends well on any forum.
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Old Feb 19, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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mobil one full syn 10w30...mobile one filter. expensive, but like my grandpappy always told me "son, oil is cheap insurance"
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Old Feb 19, 2011 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Black00XJ
Lets see which guru awnsers this first.
Whats the diff in synthetic blend and full synthetic?
Conventional motor oils are made from crude oil which has been pumped from the ground and then processed in a refinery to create a base oil. Additives are then mixed into the base oil to change the viscosity, protection properties and heat breakdown levels of the oil.

Synthetic oil is also created in a similar manner to a conventional engine oil, using a base oil combined with a series of additives. The difference lies in the fact that synthetic motor oils are created utilizing a specially "synthesized" or manufactured, base oil where the size of the oil molecules are all of an ideal weight and of a consistent size. While a conventional motor oil, despite the refining processes, is made up of different molecule sizes which are mixed together, along with various waxes and impurities, a fully synthetic oil is made to provide a much purer base oil, with less waxes and with a uniform ideal particle size to help increase the oils viscosity level

But I'm by no means a guru


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Old Feb 19, 2011 | 06:56 PM
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Ok so oil, lately I've been running Mobil 1 high mileage fully synth with a mobile high capacity filter. Its great and you feel the difference when you first change it, but as for oil brands i hear that the worst for sludge are pennzoil and castrol but idk how true that is
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Old Feb 20, 2011 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jfiedler

Conventional motor oils are made from crude oil which has been pumped from the ground and then processed in a refinery to create a base oil. Additives are then mixed into the base oil to change the viscosity, protection properties and heat breakdown levels of the oil.

Synthetic oil is also created in a similar manner to a conventional engine oil, using a base oil combined with a series of additives. The difference lies in the fact that synthetic motor oils are created utilizing a specially "synthesized" or manufactured, base oil where the size of the oil molecules are all of an ideal weight and of a consistent size. While a conventional motor oil, despite the refining processes, is made up of different molecule sizes which are mixed together, along with various waxes and impurities, a fully synthetic oil is made to provide a much purer base oil, with less waxes and with a uniform ideal particle size to help increase the oils viscosity level

But I'm by no means a guru

So it's impossible to damage your engine by running synthetic?
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Old Feb 20, 2011 | 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by OOdynamite

So it's impossible to damage your engine by running synthetic?
From what I've heard if you've never run full synthetic oil in your car you aren't suppose to just change it up and use it. I think it has to do with possible sludge buildup and a synthetic oil will loosen it up fast and damage your engine. This being what I've heard though. Starting with a semi synthetic wouldn't be so bad though
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Old Feb 20, 2011 | 01:19 AM
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I use Quakerstate 10w-40 with a Mopar M90 filter, change it every 6000 miles, more or less. 3000 mile oil changes are a thing of the past and is a waste of money.
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Old Feb 20, 2011 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch
From what I've heard if you've never run full synthetic oil in your car you aren't suppose to just change it up and use it. I think it has to do with possible sludge buildup and a synthetic oil will loosen it up fast and damage your engine. This being what I've heard though. Starting with a semi synthetic wouldn't be so bad though
Not true. You can run a full synthetic oil no matter how many miles the engine has on it, in any gas engine, will not knock any sludge loose.

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Old Feb 20, 2011 | 06:29 AM
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Synthetic = waste of money IMO. Are jeeps are made to use conventional. Like I said before, I ran Royal Purple for awhile and noticed no improvements or change besides the price difference. Using synthetic on track cars is a different story.
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Old Feb 20, 2011 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch
From what I've heard if you've never run full synthetic oil in your car you aren't suppose to just change it up and use it. I think it has to do with possible sludge buildup and a synthetic oil will loosen it up fast and damage your engine. This being what I've heard though. Starting with a semi synthetic wouldn't be so bad though
The differnece, and why people say its "bad" which is false, its because syn oil runs cleaner, and has cleaning properties in it. Conventional motor oil has waxes in it, which over years build up and create plugs for small oil leaks. the reason people say syn oil is "bad" is because it will clean and remove the sludge build up and expose the small leaks.

Originally Posted by Bustedback
I use Quakerstate 10w-40 with a Mopar M90 filter, change it every 6000 miles, more or less. 3000 mile oil changes are a thing of the past and is a waste of money.
agreed, changing oil every 3k is a waste of money. With conventional, i would go about 5k and syn, i would go about 7k. Some of the new diesle cars call for 25k oil changes! BUT, this all depends on how your running your motor, if your spinnging wheels in mud, on rocks all the time, its gonna run hot, and break down the oil faster

Originally Posted by imthehink
Synthetic = waste of money IMO. Are jeeps are made to use conventional. Like I said before, I ran Royal Purple for awhile and noticed no improvements or change besides the price difference. Using synthetic on track cars is a different story.
very true with track cars. Syn oil has a break down temp around 400* F. if any of our jeeps get that hot we got a serious problem!!! But with that said, when it is running hot on the trails, the oil wont be at the extreme end of it temp breakdown.

Your not gonna "tell a difference" from running syn or conventional engine oil like you would perfomance tuning or a turbo or maybe even 94 octane from sunoco! Like i said before, oil is cheap insurance
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Caish
Oh boy another OTB thread....
I've used Shell Rotella 15w40 for years.
If its not a high mileage engine and you want a little better MPG switch to synthetic 5w30 or maybe even a 0w30.
I use WIX or Motorcraft Filters.
End of story.
Have you ever tried any other oils to compare to the Rotella?

I am considering Rotella for my two XJ's and looking for feedback from users of Rotella.

Thanks
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by imthehink
Synthetic = waste of money IMO. Are jeeps are made to use conventional. Like I said before, I ran Royal Purple for awhile and noticed no improvements or change besides the price difference. Using synthetic on track cars is a different story.


........coming from the person who says "ARE" instead of "OUR".
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bustedback
Not true. You can run a full synthetic oil no matter how many miles the engine has on it, in any gas engine, will not knock any sludge loose.
Wreaks havoc on carbon and other buildup. Low compression after switching my trail rig that I didnt want to spend money on fixing.
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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I seen an ad for RoyalPurple yesterday, and they claim more horsepower and torque just by using their oil. I call BS on that claim.
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bustedback
I seen an ad for RoyalPurple yesterday, and they claim more horsepower and torque just by using their oil. I call BS on that claim.

I'm not saying this is true for Royal Purple but more than likely they are just like any brand that makes bolt-ons like exhaust and intake. They take a vehicle in very poor condition, and they put their product on it. Example: K&N, they go grab a vehicle with an air filter that is pretty close to totally clogged. They dyno it, then throw in their filter and dyno it with that. There's your "gain".
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