Feels Like deathwobble..
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Feels Like deathwobble..
Alright some of guys might remember be posting this problem up awhile back but i just cant seem to fix it!
iv replaced both wheel bearings in the front, jeeps in alignment the shop said i need new sway bar links due to my 3 inch lift im still running stock ones but that shouldnt make it do that should it? when im driving i can feel the steering wheel start to jerk a little and then all the sudden my wheels and tires are wobbling like a mother f%&*
everytime i tighten up my trac bar it seems fine for awhile.. but
could it be that i need a new steering stabilizer or new tie rod ends or something! its driving me crazy and im riding on 15x10 wheels on 32x11.50 tires
iv replaced both wheel bearings in the front, jeeps in alignment the shop said i need new sway bar links due to my 3 inch lift im still running stock ones but that shouldnt make it do that should it? when im driving i can feel the steering wheel start to jerk a little and then all the sudden my wheels and tires are wobbling like a mother f%&*
everytime i tighten up my trac bar it seems fine for awhile.. but
could it be that i need a new steering stabilizer or new tie rod ends or something! its driving me crazy and im riding on 15x10 wheels on 32x11.50 tires
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There are a number of common issues that contribute to Death Wobble, often in combination.
Curing death wobble is defiantly a reality. Death wobble isnt similar to a wobble from an unbalanced tire. It is by far worse. When death wobble hits you will know its a violent shake from the front end that feels like the Jeep is about to fall apart. Usually when it happens the only thing you can do to stop it is to slow down.
The first steps to eliminate death wobble should be a visual inspection of each component, check the bushings, tire balance and an alignment. These are some common things you must check anytime you lift your Jeep. Death wobble is experienced mostly on lifter Jeeps, however it is not uncommon for someone without a lift to experience the dreaded DW. Listed below are a few things you can check.
Check your Track Bar, play in this can cause the axle to shake.
1. Bushings - check to see that they are not worn. Looks for cracks, and excessive play)
2. Angles - this angle should be the same as your draglink. Use an angle finders you can get at sears to determine this, dont just eye-ball it.
3. Bolts Make sure all bolts are tightened down to spec (some lift components have a different torque spec then)
Check the Axle, your mounts may be worn
1. Check the axle mount. Here is a good write up on a wallowed out bolt hole
http://www.jeepin.com/features/trackbarfix/index.asp
2. Check your Universal joints, a binding or lose U-Joint can cause DW
3. On the frame end if you still use the conventional Tie Rod End or (TRE) make sure that there is no play in this, as play can cause DW.
4. Look/Check for worn/torn boots on ball joints/tie-rod ends.
Check your Tires
1. Out of balance tires can cause shaking in the front end, which can lead to death wobble.
2. Make sure all of your lug nuts are tight, (Sounds elementary but it happens to the best of us)
Check your Frame
1. Small cracks in the frame can cause the steering box to feel loose, Shaking from DW can only make this worse. 33s and larger should have some form of Steering box brace, or frame brace in.
2. If you have upgraded your frame mount, make sure its cranked down nice and tight. (best to use an impact gun)
3. A busted Frame Mount can cause play in the front end causing DW (Keep a watchful eye on the welds as welds in sheer can break over time.
Make sure you have a good alignment
1. After you get an alignment done, have them print out the numbers for you. An XJ should have a 7* positive caster angle. A lifted XJ cant always have that high of a number because the pinion would become out of alignment with the front driveshaft. Pinion angle takes precedence over caster.
2. Make you sure you go to a place that will adjust the caster if necessary (either by shims in the frame side of the LCAs, or adjustable LCAs).
The more adjustable parts the easier it is to tune in your suspension.
1. Adjustable Track Bar
2. Adjustable Upper and Lower Control Arms (upper ones above 4 of lift). Not only are they adjustable, but they are stronger.
Things to remember:
1. After any lift, get your Jeep professionally aligned, this is a REQUIREMENT, not a suggestion.
2. A Steering Stabilizer (SS) is not a quick fix for DW.
3. Make sure that the lift you purchase comes with all the required parts for a safe driving vehicle. (as long as its going to be a DD)
4. PLEASE ALWAYS DRIVE WITH YOUR FRONT SWAY BAR CONNECTED!
Entire list of everything that can cause death wobble:
-Front tires out of balance
-Front alignment out of spec
-Loose track bar
-Worn track bar bushings
-Worn track bar end
-Needing an adjustable track bar
-Bad bushings/joints in control arms
-Worn/damaged steering stabilizer
-Worn/damaged shocks
-Worn/damaged tie rod end
-Bad U Joint
-Bad ball joint
-Loose frame mount
-Steering box looseness
-Need drop pitman arm
-Driveshaft(s) not balanced
-Bad front hub assembly
Torque specs:
Item ........................................ Ft. lbs. ................... Nm
Lug nuts (1/2 X 20 w/ 60* cone) .... 85-115 .............. 115-150
All tie rod ends ..................... ..... 55 ................... .. 74
Steering (both ends) .............. ..... 55 ................ .... 74
Shock absorber upper nut .............. 16 ................ .... 22
Shock absorber lower nuts ............. 17 ................ .... 23
UCA frame end ..................... ...... 66 .............. ..... 89
UCA axle end ......................... .... 55 ................ .... 74
LCA frame end ...................... ..... 85 ...................... 115
LCA axle end ......................... .... 85 ...................... 115
Track bar frame end .............. ..... 60 ................. ... 81
Track bar axle end ................. .... 40 .................. ... 54
Track bar bracket bolts .......... ..... 92 ...................... 125
Track bar bracket nut ............. .... 74 ....................... 100
Track bar bracket support bolts ...... 31 ....................... 42
Hub bolts (3) ............................ . 75 ....................... 102
Hub- axle bolt .......................... .. 175 ..................... 237
(No, I didn't type all that.
Curing death wobble is defiantly a reality. Death wobble isnt similar to a wobble from an unbalanced tire. It is by far worse. When death wobble hits you will know its a violent shake from the front end that feels like the Jeep is about to fall apart. Usually when it happens the only thing you can do to stop it is to slow down.
The first steps to eliminate death wobble should be a visual inspection of each component, check the bushings, tire balance and an alignment. These are some common things you must check anytime you lift your Jeep. Death wobble is experienced mostly on lifter Jeeps, however it is not uncommon for someone without a lift to experience the dreaded DW. Listed below are a few things you can check.
Check your Track Bar, play in this can cause the axle to shake.
1. Bushings - check to see that they are not worn. Looks for cracks, and excessive play)
2. Angles - this angle should be the same as your draglink. Use an angle finders you can get at sears to determine this, dont just eye-ball it.
3. Bolts Make sure all bolts are tightened down to spec (some lift components have a different torque spec then)
Check the Axle, your mounts may be worn
1. Check the axle mount. Here is a good write up on a wallowed out bolt hole
http://www.jeepin.com/features/trackbarfix/index.asp
2. Check your Universal joints, a binding or lose U-Joint can cause DW
3. On the frame end if you still use the conventional Tie Rod End or (TRE) make sure that there is no play in this, as play can cause DW.
4. Look/Check for worn/torn boots on ball joints/tie-rod ends.
Check your Tires
1. Out of balance tires can cause shaking in the front end, which can lead to death wobble.
2. Make sure all of your lug nuts are tight, (Sounds elementary but it happens to the best of us)
Check your Frame
1. Small cracks in the frame can cause the steering box to feel loose, Shaking from DW can only make this worse. 33s and larger should have some form of Steering box brace, or frame brace in.
2. If you have upgraded your frame mount, make sure its cranked down nice and tight. (best to use an impact gun)
3. A busted Frame Mount can cause play in the front end causing DW (Keep a watchful eye on the welds as welds in sheer can break over time.
Make sure you have a good alignment
1. After you get an alignment done, have them print out the numbers for you. An XJ should have a 7* positive caster angle. A lifted XJ cant always have that high of a number because the pinion would become out of alignment with the front driveshaft. Pinion angle takes precedence over caster.
2. Make you sure you go to a place that will adjust the caster if necessary (either by shims in the frame side of the LCAs, or adjustable LCAs).
The more adjustable parts the easier it is to tune in your suspension.
1. Adjustable Track Bar
2. Adjustable Upper and Lower Control Arms (upper ones above 4 of lift). Not only are they adjustable, but they are stronger.
Things to remember:
1. After any lift, get your Jeep professionally aligned, this is a REQUIREMENT, not a suggestion.
2. A Steering Stabilizer (SS) is not a quick fix for DW.
3. Make sure that the lift you purchase comes with all the required parts for a safe driving vehicle. (as long as its going to be a DD)
4. PLEASE ALWAYS DRIVE WITH YOUR FRONT SWAY BAR CONNECTED!
Entire list of everything that can cause death wobble:
-Front tires out of balance
-Front alignment out of spec
-Loose track bar
-Worn track bar bushings
-Worn track bar end
-Needing an adjustable track bar
-Bad bushings/joints in control arms
-Worn/damaged steering stabilizer
-Worn/damaged shocks
-Worn/damaged tie rod end
-Bad U Joint
-Bad ball joint
-Loose frame mount
-Steering box looseness
-Need drop pitman arm
-Driveshaft(s) not balanced
-Bad front hub assembly
Torque specs:
Item ........................................ Ft. lbs. ................... Nm
Lug nuts (1/2 X 20 w/ 60* cone) .... 85-115 .............. 115-150
All tie rod ends ..................... ..... 55 ................... .. 74
Steering (both ends) .............. ..... 55 ................ .... 74
Shock absorber upper nut .............. 16 ................ .... 22
Shock absorber lower nuts ............. 17 ................ .... 23
UCA frame end ..................... ...... 66 .............. ..... 89
UCA axle end ......................... .... 55 ................ .... 74
LCA frame end ...................... ..... 85 ...................... 115
LCA axle end ......................... .... 85 ...................... 115
Track bar frame end .............. ..... 60 ................. ... 81
Track bar axle end ................. .... 40 .................. ... 54
Track bar bracket bolts .......... ..... 92 ...................... 125
Track bar bracket nut ............. .... 74 ....................... 100
Track bar bracket support bolts ...... 31 ....................... 42
Hub bolts (3) ............................ . 75 ....................... 102
Hub- axle bolt .......................... .. 175 ..................... 237
(No, I didn't type all that.
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