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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 01:56 PM
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I have a 1993 Grand Cherokee Laredo Inline6 4.0. The car doesn't crank the first time, you have to turn the key to ON and then ignite it. The car doesn't run smoothly as it makes hard shifts and has to get up to 3,000 rpms to go into 2nd gear. Ran a computer diagnostic on it at a regular autoshop when the dealership said you can't run a diagnostic on a OBDI. Anyway the regular auto shop said I have a clogged cat converter, oxygen sensor and throttle position sensor doesn't get the right voltage and the ECU(computer) said the desired idle is 8,000 rpms when it should be 800 to 1,000. Everywhere I'm call is saying the ECU needs replacing, is it ECU? What are the main signs of a faulty ECU and is it a easy fix as such as replacing the throttle position sensor and cat converter?
-also I heard other things it could be online such as crank sensor, bad injectors, transmission control module and such


What is and be sure to give me elementary answers please...
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 02:11 PM
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Also I don't know where to find or take out the ECU to read the part number to get a price
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 02:51 PM
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get a Manual they are under 20 bucks and worth every penny. the TPS is located on the throttle body its a black sensor.


for your TPS you need a volt meter

TPS

You may have one or more of these Physical Symptoms:

1) The engine loses power and is stalling.
2) The engine will idle, but may die as soon as you press the gas pedal. When driving, it seems as if all power is gone.
3) Sometimes it feels as if the transmission is failed or isn't shifting properly, if at all. If you quickly jump on the gas you might be able to get the transmission to shift, but it won’t shift properly by itself. Shifting manually, the transmission goes through all the gears.

NOTE: The throttle position sensor is also DIRECTLY involved with transmission shifting characteristics. The TPS function should be verified early in the troubleshooting process, when a transmission issue is suspected.

TPS TEST

You should have 5 volts going into the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS). It is best to use an analog meter (not digital) to see if the transition from idle to WOT is smooth with no dead spots. With your meter set for volts, put the black probe on a good ground like your negative battery terminal. With the key on, engine not running, test with the red probe of your meter (install a paper clip into the back of the plug of the TPS) to see which wire has the 5 volts. At idle, TPS output voltage should be greater than .26 volts but less than .95 volts. Move the throttle and look for smooth meter response up to the 4.49 at WOT. The other wire will be the ground and should show no voltage.

Perform the test procedure again and wiggle and/or tap on the TPS while you watch the meter. If you notice any flat spots or abrupt changes in the meter readings, replace the TPS.


The TPS is sensitive to heat, moisture, and vibration, leading to the failure of some units. The sensor is a sealed unit and cannot be repaired only replaced. A TPS may fail gradually leading to a number of symptoms which can include one or more of the following:

-Poor idle control: The TPS is used by the ECU to determine if the throttle is closed and the car should be using the Idle Air Control Valve exclusively for idle control. A fault TPS sensor can confuse the ECU causing the idle to be erratic or "hunting".

- High Idle Speed: The TPS may report faulty values causing the engine idle speed to be increased above normal. This is normally found in conjunction with a slow engine return to idle speed symptom.

-Slow engine return to idle: A failing TPS can report the minimum throttle position values incorrectly which can stop the engine entering idle mode when the throttle is closed. Normally when the throttle is closed the engine fuel injectors will be deactivated until a defined engine RPM speed is reached and the engine brought smoothly to idle speed. When failing a TPS will not report the throttle closed and fueling will continue causing the engine to return to idle very slowly.

-Engine Hesitation on Throttle Application: The TPS is also used by the ECU to determine if the driver has applied the throttle quicker than the Manifold Air Pressure sensor can read. The fueling is adjusted accordingly to cope with the sudden increase in air volume, however a faulty sensor can cause the ECU to ignore this data and the engine will "hesitate" when applying the throttle. In extreme cases with the engine at idle, a sudden application of full throttle can stall the engine.

- Engine Misfire: A faulty TPS can report values outside the acceptable range causing the ECU to incorrectly fuel the engine. This is noticeable as a slight misfire and can trigger the misfire detection software and/or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on the dashboard. Extreme cases can cause excessive misfires resulting in one or more cylinders being shut down to prevent engine and catalytic converter damage.



the ECM is located is located on the firewall of the jeep on the passenger side.
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