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Old May 7, 2015 | 07:28 AM
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It's the only manual I see recomended on here.

As to the oil, takes little bless than 2 in front and little more than 2 in rear. I got it at Meijers, was $.50 per qt less than A.Z. Valvoline 85-140 (IIRC) for heavy use. Or 70/90 for light duty. Or try WallyWorld. If you think you'll ever be going through deep water, don't bother with syn.
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Old May 7, 2015 | 09:19 AM
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The videos are great stuff, at least for me. I'm new at all this fixin and doin stuff, and I really want to know how to do things myself, if it's within my capability, because I can't afford to get ripped off anymore!

Thanks Jason!

Thanks, I have fun making them and I'm really glad you got some useful info out of them. If you're going to be like myself, and just teach yourself, then make sure you check out Bleeping Jeep and Eric the Car Guy. Matt at Bleeping Jeep has videos on just about anything you might ever need to do on your Jeep, and Eric the Car Guy works on a lot of different vehicles, but the knowledge he passes along has really helped me gain some confidence.

And then this forum... the combined knowledge of everyone on here is amazing. Do yourself a favor and just read all the threads. Even if you aren't dealing with a particular issue now, just reading about how people attack different problems will help your knowledge base, and give you the confidence to try things that, right now, might seem pretty intimidating. If there is a way to screw something up, its probably been discussed on this forum, along with the solutions and usually some good advice on how to prevent it from happening to begin with. I'm 45, and I'm willing to bet there are people on this forum who have been working on vehicles longer than I've been alive... and they're here to help.

As for Pacific Coast manuals, I've got them for both my 96 and 90. 1996 was a transition year, and the manual actually has a lot of the info aimed after the transition...example: my 96 still has the front mounted fuel pump and external fuel filter, but the FSM shows the top mounted fuel pump and internal fuel filter, which was standard in 97+. All in all, though, I have found it to be an amazing purchase for $8... Torque specs, testing procedures, wiring diagrams, repair procedures, etc... you won't regret picking one up.
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Old May 7, 2015 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by synergy58
Very nice! I asked the gut at the parts store and he didn't know. He couldn't tell me how much went in either one. Said I needed to contact the dealer. Hmmm?
I just left, didn't buy the fluid or the tranny kit. I'll go to NAPA today.

Thanks!
They guy at the parts store won't know, he's not a mechanic. And, each vehicle is different, you need to consult the owners manual or a FSM for capacities.
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I went to their www site, read the expanded info on the 2001 Cherokee manual. At the bottom of the write up theres a link to a Youtube video. I clicked it...Youtube says basically they denied PAC Manuals use of youtube, because of deceptive practices. Know anything about this? Sure, its only $8.00, but...

is this a trusted company/site, and are these manuals really good?
Anyone?
Best $8 I've ever spent on my jeep. I've used PCM for years, never had one issue. As far as the youtube thing goes, all it takes is one idiot to file a complaint, and ruin it, LOL

Don't hesitate to get a manual from them. It's in PDF form, so once downloaded, I put it on my laptop, my desktop, my phone, and saved a backup copy on a usb stick. Also, when it comes time to go and do the work, you can print just the pages you need to take into the shop with you, so you don't need to take your e-device out to the garage and get it all dirty, LOL...convenient to have all your torque values and such in front of you when you need it...
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Old May 7, 2015 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by synergy58
Nice looking front end pic!

Ok so, I got the differentials serviced. I couldn't believe the fluid was $75.00! Oh well.
I was a bit gun shy of the tranny service and transfer case, I couldn't determine which fluid to use, got frustrated and so hired this guy to do it for me. A local guy, Ryan in Fairborn, OH, just outside the base. He ripped me off, as best I can tell.
He claimed he serviced the tranny and transfer case, but when I got home and crawled underneath for a visual, I saw that the pan had not been removed as all the bolts were still grimmy as if none of them had a socket on them in a long time. The fluid looked clear, but my neighbor showed me on his that it should be bright red; it wasn't. So...
Yeah, no, I paid cash...called him and complained. He called me names, hung up on me and now won't return my calls. Called the BBB, they said "oh well" he's not a member, it won't do any good to complain.

It's my stupidity really. I should not have been so trusting of him. I should have delved right in and did it myself. Guess now I'm going to have to. Oh well, lesson learned.

So, I'm guessing, just drain fluid, drop pan, remove filter, clean everything, reinstall...right?
As for the transfer case???? I don't have a clue. I know, research...

Thanks for the advise, suggestions and guidance from ALL you guys!!!
$75 for gear oil? Did you use Royal Purple or something?

As for the getting ripped off on the tranny service...there's no need to remove the pan. A simple drain and fill is all you need, which is probably what he did. The "filter" inside is just a screen...as to the color of the fluid, it won't be the pinkish-red, even after a drain and fill, there's still residual fluid left in the lines, the torque converter, and so on, in order to get it all out, you need to do several drain and fills...so any new fluid put in will mix with some old.

Sorry you had a bad experience with that guy, though...this is why no one touches my jeep but me.
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Old May 7, 2015 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by roninofako
this is why no one touches my jeep but me.
Amen to that!
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Old May 7, 2015 | 12:08 PM
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The PCM's are one of the best ways to obtain one for your XJ there is. I have 2 of them 1 for the XJ and 1 for my WJ best $7.95 I ever spent. Like said one IDIOT post like that crap statement and others take for the truth.


BTW you were ripped off for the gear lube "Big Time" even if it was syn. I don't use it just plain old gear lube and change often in the XJ, DD is a different story.
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Old May 7, 2015 | 01:38 PM
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Thanks guys!!!

Ok, so I got the manual...definitely a lot of great info and data for sure. I just need to figure how better to access it on my CPU (MAC Book). All I get are pages and pages, individually, and I have to load up one page at a time when I look at it. It's not like its a complete, altogether pdf where I can just search easily, at least not for me. Maybe I did something wrong on the download? Anyway, it did pay for its self right away!

I was able to use the manual to figure out how to change the serpentine belt, the correct way!!!!

In so doing, I figured out what that god awful, horrendous noise is...

...it's definitely the AC compressor for sure! I guess, when I was driving and started the jeep the ac was on. Once the noise started, I did in fact try cutting everything on and off, to no avail. So I assumed (*** u me) that since cutting the ac compressor on and off wasn't stopping the noise, well, it couldn't be the compressor/clutch.

The AC must be low on freon, as the compressor clutch cycles a lot, like every 5-10 seconds. It does get cold though.

I pulled the electric fan, tried to get it to kick on but that never happened. Maybe it didn't get hot enough, I didn't wait long enough, or maybe its shot, either way it didn't kick on.
So I pulled the belt and checked every pulley for ease of rotation and everything was as smooth as a mothers ______, well you get what I mean.

I put everything back together, left the electric fan off, and started her up, w/o the AC on. She squealed like my sister after I've pulled her hair! LOL
I adjusted the tension a few times till I found that sweet spot.
Everything seamed okay. But then, I cut the AC on and holy mother of broken bottles of beer! There came that horrendous noise I had to begin with. This time I let her rip, got out and looked around, everything looked okay. I then started turning the blower switch up and down and nothing, shut the compressor off and on and there it went. This time the noise was coming when I cut the compressor on, off, it stopped. So...

Now, do I have to replace the compressor? IDK. Is this hard to do? IDK. Are there so many steps? IDK, probably.

Man, if it's not one thing its another.
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Old May 7, 2015 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by roninofako
$75 for gear oil? Did you use Royal Purple or something?

As for the getting ripped off on the tranny service...there's no need to remove the pan. A simple drain and fill is all you need, which is probably what he did. The "filter" inside is just a screen...as to the color of the fluid, it won't be the pinkish-red, even after a drain and fill, there's still residual fluid left in the lines, the torque converter, and so on, in order to get it all out, you need to do several drain and fills...so any new fluid put in will mix with some old.

Sorry you had a bad experience with that guy, though...this is why no one touches my jeep but me.
Thanks!

Well, here's the thing. The Tranny pan was leaking. So I specifically asked that he pull the pan, replace the fluid, etc... But he didn't, nor did he drain it as can be seen by these pics:
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No wrench or socket has touched any of these bolts.

So, thats that. I'll do it myself. I got taken, and life goes on.
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Old May 7, 2015 | 04:25 PM
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So, I changed my '96 XJ transmission filter. Had the Jeep about 2 weeks now. Saw a sticky someone did to cut the dipstick tube between the pan and where the splice is that seldom can come apart. Got me some nice tube and hose clamps. Tight fits very snug, and clamps are good. When I try to fill it, about 2qts in and the hose starts hissing and dumps about a cup. Both clamps are tight and tube is pushed into hose evenly. Anyone else have this after this mod?
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Old May 7, 2015 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HEAP of JEEP
Front and rear differential are the same basic procedure. Transfer case is pretty easy too. I did a video on that also, if you want to see how I did it... again, I'm no expert, but it wasn't difficult at all.

Transfer Case Drain & Fill on Jeep Cherokee XJ (NP231) - YouTube
transfer case is easy until some jackass previous owner used a 3/8ths allen socket on your 10mm drain plug and strips it.
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Old May 7, 2015 | 05:21 PM
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transfer case is easy until some jackass previous owner used a 3/8ths allen socket on your 10mm drain plug and strips it.
That suxs!

Or , some *******, who claims to be sooo honest, because he was a Marine and a Soldier (a part time ranger at that...he said he was an Army Ranger in the reserves...HA. I was Army, I know whats up here), who works as an Air Design Engineer for Southern Company, and he tells you how absolutely wonderful and great shape his Jeep's in; that he's sure he's not asking enough for it, and that he's already got numerous calls and interest after only 4 hours on Craigs List!

So, you (I'eeee) agree to buy it based off a half a dozen pictures and his word; his ****ing word! I fly 535 miles to pick it up after paying a $500 pay-pal deposit. I get there in the middle of who knows where to see this absolutely great deal, and...oh man...

Yes, its rust free and runs strong, straight body, new headliner, clean seats, everything in tack, and a roof rack and 2" receiver hitch (all his selling points), but... man at the fluid leaks, lack of service, check engine light because of a vacuum leak, dirt and clay caked up in every hide away crevasse one can't normally see through selective pictures, a radio that can't decide on the right level of volume, with the mp3 input NOT working, an old belt with a new one under the seat, injector # 3 with issues, the air flow that won't come through the floor, dirty oil (he said he was going to get to it) and several other things, THAT HE DID NOT DISCLOSE over the phone or via email, text or through pictures!!!!

And me, the sucker... oh well, I did buy it after all. Yes, I could have gone back to the airport and paid another $265.00 and flown home, tail tucked between my legs. I just figured, these things can be fixed. I'm here, I want a Cherokee to replace the one I HAD to sell 5 years ago. I missed having my Jeep! What can I say. I was tired of looking everywhere...

He did drop the price $200.00 because the check engine came on, after he said he took it to HIS mechanic and had IT fixed...HA! Yes, I took the $200.00 and pumped it into the gas tank to get me home...535 miles, @ 20.78 mpg, doing 70-80 mph! And, it ran stronger than ever! Yes, I did enjoy my ride home, despite that stupid ****ing radio!

So, I have so things I need to get fixed. Who doesn't.

Whew...Sorry, I had to vent all that. But, I recently got ripped off for $80 bucks by a phony mechanic, got this Cherokee under some false representation, and it just built up! LOL!!! Besides, who's gonna see this anyway. Most of these posts get hit once or twice and then they get rolled on through never to be read again, unless the poster is a girl or the subject matter is some debate about OIL! LOL! Sorry, I just had to say that...LOL! :0)

Oh well, and life goes on! I do LOVE driving my Jeep Cherokee, and so does my wife, as long as it doesn't stink of burnt oil and squeal like a banshee!

Ok, I'm good for now!
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Old May 7, 2015 | 05:28 PM
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It is actually the oil cooler line. I saw a thread on this I'll look up. Must have jarred it wiggling the pan off.



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Old May 7, 2015 | 07:37 PM
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It is actually the oil cooler line. I saw a thread on this I'll look up. Must have jarred it wiggling the pan off.



Not mine
Hmmm?

Totally confused now.
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Old May 7, 2015 | 09:41 PM
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Didn't read whole rant, but only direction from here is FOREWARD !!

Caveat emptor.

Talk with an A/C shop. Might be able to replace compressor then have them vacume it and charge it. Save some labor.
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Originally Posted by synergy58
Thanks!

Well, here's the thing. The Tranny pan was leaking. So I specifically asked that he pull the pan, replace the fluid, etc... But he didn't, nor did he drain it as can be seen by these pics:
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No wrench or socket has touched any of these bolts.

So, thats that. I'll do it myself. I got taken, and life goes on.
Lesson learned, and things happen for a reason...in this case, you got a FSM, which you can now use to do EVERYTHING yourself.

I've had mine for several years now, I always buy a FSM for each vehicle I purchase, immediately after I buy the car. I have used it to replace most everything on my rig, as a matter of fact, I've gotten to the point where I will look up the procedure for what I need to do, read it quickly, and just print out the pages with things like torque specs and sequence, wiring schematics, and such, then head out to the garage and dive in, I usually only reference the printouts when re-assembling, LMAO!!!
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