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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 12:27 PM
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I pulled the relay as you suggested and it's much worse now. Idling very erratically and wanting to stall. Any clue?
Is the Airbag light still on?

Pull the battery negative cable off for about 5 minutes then reinstall. Maybe clearing the PCM will help.

Give this a try and get back.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CCKen
Is the Airbag light still on?

Pull the battery negative cable off for about 5 minutes then reinstall. Maybe clearing the PCM will help.

Give this a try and get back.

k will do. the airbag light is off.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CCKen
Is the Airbag light still on?

Pull the battery negative cable off for about 5 minutes then reinstall. Maybe clearing the PCM will help.

Give this a try and get back.
so i pulled negative cable, gave it some time and reconnected. check engine light is off, no airbag light. still idling very rough. jumps up when i started and slowly come down but is bucking and very rough after about ten minutes or so.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 01:55 PM
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so i pulled negative cable, gave it some time and reconnected. check engine light is off, no airbag light. still idling very rough. jumps up when i started and slowly come down but is bucking and very rough after about ten minutes or so.
Do you have a code reader/scanner to check to see if there's any pending codes? If it's that bad a CEL should pop up after running a bit.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 01:59 PM
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i dont but my buddy ran it yesterday and i got po123 po122
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 02:52 PM
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i dont but my buddy ran it yesterday and i got po123 po122
See what you have now using his reader. See if there's any "Pending" codes.

Retrace all your steps. Check all fuses to make sure they're seated, check each connector on each sensor to make sure they are secure (only you know what you've done).

Reinstall the horn relay to see if makes a difference. While in the JB look it over carefully to see if there's any corrosion (green stuff), to the point of disconnecting connector C4 to see if its corroded.

It's odd that by simply removing the horn relay the engine runs worse than before.
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 05:07 PM
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yeah i agree that its weird. i will retrace my steps and get back tomorrow.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CCKen
See what you have now using his reader. See if there's any "Pending" codes.

Retrace all your steps. Check all fuses to make sure they're seated, check each connector on each sensor to make sure they are secure (only you know what you've done).

Reinstall the horn relay to see if makes a difference. While in the JB look it over carefully to see if there's any corrosion (green stuff), to the point of disconnecting connector C4 to see if its corroded.

It's odd that by simply removing the horn relay the engine runs worse than before.
this morning i started it up without the relay in and it was still rough. i put the relay back in started again and it was better but still idling high and erratic with airbag light on. i pulled the relay again and restarted and now its running fine. i took it for a cruise and was completely normal. what do you make of that?
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:34 AM
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this morning i started it up without the relay in and it was still rough. i put the relay back in started again and it was better but still idling high and erratic with airbag light on. i pulled the relay again and restarted and now its running fine. i took it for a cruise and was completely normal. what do you make of that?
The PCM works its wonders in mysterious ways.

Do you still have a CEL on?
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CCKen
The PCM works its wonders in mysterious ways.

Do you still have a CEL on?
Nothing yet.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 01:35 PM
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Nothing yet.
I take it you have left the horn relay removed (?)

There's plenty of tutorials on how to replace a clockspring out there so maybe you should locate a good one and study how it's done.

Remember, Airbags can really hurt or kill you if they discharge in your face. Before doing any work involving the Airbags circuit (clockspring), remove the battery negative cable from the battery and wait at least 2 minutes for the Airbags capacitor to discharge before doing any work.

That capacitor is there incase the collision doesn't initially deploy the Airbags; so a second chance is given by the capacitor to do the job (within a second).
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 01:08 PM
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Still having idling issues after a rain. The car is idling erratically after and during rain when I first start it. Also had a rough start after some rain. I drove it for about 10 miles and now it's running normal. Was jumping forward a bit at stop lights. Any idea what this may be? I'm assuming moisture is getting into something.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 01:11 PM
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Also good amount smoke from the exhaust when I first started.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 01:20 PM
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Horn relay is still removed.
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