She wont start
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lol im using the right key trust me I am super worried now though becouse today i looked at the battery after me and my buddy muscle/pushed it up the driveway and into the garage and the date on the battery says 2007 so i worry it might be the alt. amd im not inclined to do that in my driveway so it would get expensive
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Batt sounds low, but it should have fired.
Borrow or buy a battery charger. Charge it up and try again.
If no start dont keep cranking, pull a plug wire and see if it arc's against something metal. If no arc you need a CPS. I'm betting this is your issue.
This job has been hated by many, but i dont find it too bad. Just need a floor jack, jack stands, ratchet, 11mm socket and a ton of extensions.
EDIT: When was the last time this was tuned? While it's charging pull a plug and see what it's condition is. Your looking for a cleanish electrode with just a tanning color. Post a pic if you can.
Borrow or buy a battery charger. Charge it up and try again.
If no start dont keep cranking, pull a plug wire and see if it arc's against something metal. If no arc you need a CPS. I'm betting this is your issue.
This job has been hated by many, but i dont find it too bad. Just need a floor jack, jack stands, ratchet, 11mm socket and a ton of extensions.
EDIT: When was the last time this was tuned? While it's charging pull a plug and see what it's condition is. Your looking for a cleanish electrode with just a tanning color. Post a pic if you can.
Last edited by OverlandZJ; Aug 8, 2008 at 12:45 AM.
This is exactly what my gf's grand am did today. i jumped it with my jeep and it fired up. The battery is dying. If the battery is pretty new and already dying, check the alternator, but i'm pretty sure you have a dying or low battery.
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Just a note to all any Jeep that is OBDII won't start if you have less than 10.4 volts when cranking. The reason it don't fire in his vid is due to it not sparking do to a low voltage. I'd replace the battier and have the alternator checked out...
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Thanks Nick. Being a Renix guy I did NOT know that. Is it the computer that needs in excess of 10.4 volts or is it some sensor in the system?
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That part about it I'm not for sure, but I'm thinking it's the computer.. I even called a Jeep Dealer when I ran into this before and was told about the voltage, but even the tech wasn't even sure what didn't like the voltage drop...
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I'll give it a little research. I like to know the why part of a question not just the fact that it needs something. I wanna know what need what and why. Guess that helps it to make some sense in my feeble mind.
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Well from what I have read today the computer (ECU) seems to be the part that would be at the losing end in a voltage deminished vehicle although I found differing voltages as a minimum in different manufacturers literature. Ford says that the taurus will not generate a signal below 10.8 volts while Honda says that 10.2 is their lowest threshold.
HTH everyone, and Thanks Nick I have learned quite a bit today because of your insight this morning.
HTH everyone, and Thanks Nick I have learned quite a bit today because of your insight this morning.
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thanks for all the imput guys my uncle and I were going to replace the battery today but when we tried for a final time to start her the starter started clicking and that worried us and since i think its the alt not the battery we had to call the wreaker and have it droped off at the stealership so i'll get word of whats wrong with it on monday and get back to all of you
thanks for all the imput guys my uncle and I were going to replace the battery today but when we tried for a final time to start her the starter started clicking and that worried us and since i think its the alt not the battery we had to call the wreaker and have it droped off at the stealership so i'll get word of whats wrong with it on monday and get back to all of you
What does the Alternator do ?
The vehicle battery provides reserve electrical power when the engine is stopped to enable it to be rotated by the starter motor to start the engine.
As power is used from the battery it will gradually discharge until very little happens when you turn the key to start.
The automotive alternator is an electricity generation plant which provides power to recharge the vehicle starter battery and also supply electricity for other vehicle electrical systems such as lighting, wipers, heater motor, car audio ,sat nav, etc whilst the vehicle engine is running.
The vehicle battery provides reserve electrical power when the engine is stopped to enable it to be rotated by the starter motor to start the engine.
As power is used from the battery it will gradually discharge until very little happens when you turn the key to start.
The automotive alternator is an electricity generation plant which provides power to recharge the vehicle starter battery and also supply electricity for other vehicle electrical systems such as lighting, wipers, heater motor, car audio ,sat nav, etc whilst the vehicle engine is running.
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I know how an alt works the battery was not dead it just was low i had enough juice to run the starter and crank the motor but what happened today was the starter just died and i dont know crap about that plus i dont have to pay for it and after we bought the vehicle we never got the electrical system checked out so w/e the dealership will fix it
I know how an alt works the battery was not dead it just was low i had enough juice to run the starter and crank the motor but what happened today was the starter just died and i dont know crap about that plus i dont have to pay for it and after we bought the vehicle we never got the electrical system checked out so w/e the dealership will fix it

I'm betting while you were trying to start it a couple times, you ran the battery juice down even more, maybe low enough that it cannot crank the starter anymore. This is what went down with my gf's car like i mentioned in a few posts up. We kept trying and then it wouldn't crank at all. Jumping it got it started and it has worked since but i'm keeping an eye on it cuz if it dies again, i'm testing the alternator.
Let's see what the dealer says. Good luck man.


